USD $475.55
@DenverBrian posted:How much does it cost TM to create a ticket associated with a seating plan? I imagine it costs the same for s $20 ticket as it does a $500 ticket. I think a % of the ticket is ridiculous and greedy as shit. I could see it costing a bit more for an event that has fan pre-registration (that's extra work) but outside of that, it should be a flat fee across the board.
OK hippy, "should be" I'll tell you if I sell cars and some regulatory board or crazy fan petition tried to change laws so I could only make the same markup on my Kia's as my Porche's. I'd close down.
Of course it's a % Everything is. The server at Denny's make 15% of a Denny's bill and a server at Tavern On the Green makes 15% of a Tavern On The Green Bill. But they "should be" equal right? They are both delivering food. It's the same cost to the waitress.
@Phisherman posted:OK hippy, "should be" I'll tell you if I sell cars and some regulatory board or crazy fan petition tried to change laws so I could only make the same markup on my Kia's as my Porche's. I'd close down.
Of course it's a % Everything is. The server at Denny's make 15% of a Denny's bill and a server at Tavern On the Green makes 15% of a Tavern On The Green Bill. But they "should be" equal right? They are both delivering food. It's the same cost to the waitress.
Taking that example, the service at an expensive restaurant is miles better than the service at a cheap one. You get different quality servers dressed nice that know what wine pairs best with the food at a nice place. At a diner, they just deliver the food. That model makes sense at a restaurant.
For TM, the service they provide is exactly the same if you are buying a $20 ticket and a $200 ticket. I shouldn't have to pay a different price for the same quality of service.
But me being a hippie, I must be wrong.
TM is using a retail pricing model. They are applying a a percentage by price point.
Phish,
We've all heard you defend TM and Dynamic Pricing for the past month and your reasoning behind both. I would bet if we took a poll here the vast majority would be against TM and Bruce's Dynamic pricing.
@Oats posted:Bruce Springsteen and The E Street Band 2023 Tour
Sun • Sep 3 • 7:30 PM -MetLife Stadium - East Rutherford, NJPreferred OfferThis time I received 3 different fees. Totaling 85.55 about 21% in fees.Sec 123, Row 45, Seat 34-35USD $195.00 x 2FeesUSD $5.25 (Order Processing Fee)USD $6.00 (Facility Charge) x 2USD $34.15 (Service Fee) x 2Ticket DeliveryMobileFreeUSD $475.55
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Order #45-4******Order DateFri, Feb 24, 2023Payment InfoPAYPAL ****USD $475.55
Thats 13 rows above and across the aisle from where my Jets tickets were for 11 years. We moved to the opposite(sunny end zone) last year. Bring your binoculars. I'll be upstairs in 313. Plan the tailgate, it's my birthday!
I don't "defend" ticketmaster they need no defending they don't do anything that requires a defense. (That's why everytime Springsteen tours go onsale and Congressmen hold their "investigations" they never do anything because they learn from their investigations "oh they do nothing wrong, the public is just ignorant and so were we").
What I do is not defending ticketmaster it is Disputing Absurdity.
"15%-20% fee is too much" absurd
"Life SHOULD work the way I say" absurd
"Tickets SHOULD be sold the way I say" absurd
"Ticketmaster SHOULD be forced to operate in a manner I can't even conceive of or explain but I DEMAND ANYWAY" absurd
Absurdities like that. Take all the polls you want, when they are done I'll let you know if the results are absurd.
In the meantime. Ticketmaster provides a valuable service, the service costs money. I never ever hear a valuable argument for why they should do it for less other than. "I don't wanna pay that much" Well, neither do I. But I don't live in a fantasy world where everything SHOULD be the way my mind wishes it was.
Do you really support one ticket vendor in control of the entire market? Not to mention that live nation also controls touring for the most part and has bought up a ton of venues over the past ten years. Don't you think it is a little fishy that the same company can own the venue, sell the tickets, and run the whole tour? Does it seem like a problem?
How is it that we cannot agree that a $150 service fee is too much. Just because you are the only competitor in the market doesn't mean you get to pull any number you want out of thin air. Congress is looking into them because they are a monopoly, and have been for years, Springsteen and Taylor Swift were the straws that broke the camel's back. Not to mention that they purportedly broke their consent agreement.
Just my opinion, having discussions like this one are important but we need to be civil about things.
Congress looks into them every time Springsteen puts a tour onsale EVERYTIME. And they always do nothing when their investigation discovers that all the anger comes from ignorance. The straw breaks the camels back every tour. Lawmakers don't know a thing about tickets, they run investigations they back off and new law makers get elected and they dance again. The players change but the song remains the same.
2016 Congress to crack Down on Ticketmaster
https://apnews.com/article/914...4e818476f76cb7b292e4
2009 NJ Attorney General investigates consumer complaints, Congressman writes to FTC. "FixIt"
Ticketmaster fees don't bother me. The RENT is too damn high. that bothers me. Housing is a necessity and it is out of control. Disco party playtime is a luxury, YOU PAY A PREMIUM FOR LUXURY.
@Phisherman posted:I don't "defend" ticketmaster they need no defending they don't do anything that requires a defense. (That's why everytime Springsteen tours go onsale and Congressmen hold their "investigations" they never do anything because they learn from their investigations "oh they do nothing wrong, the public is just ignorant and so were we").
What I do is not defending ticketmaster it is Disputing Absurdity.
"15%-20% fee is too much" absurd
"Life SHOULD work the way I say" absurd
"Tickets SHOULD be sold the way I say" absurd
"Ticketmaster SHOULD be forced to operate in a manner I can't even conceive of or explain but I DEMAND ANYWAY" absurd
Absurdities like that. Take all the polls you want, when they are done I'll let you know if the results are absurd.
In the meantime. Ticketmaster provides a valuable service, the service costs money. I never ever hear a valuable argument for why they should do it for less other than. "I don't wanna pay that much" Well, neither do I. But I don't live in a fantasy world where everything SHOULD be the way my mind wishes it was.
hmm .... some would say the above opinion is very illogical. I myself might go on to say that it's wildly unreasonable. I'd go as far to say your taunts are an attempt to arouse derision. 
@Oats posted:hmm .... some would say the above opinion is very illogical. I myself might go on to say that it's wildly unreasonable. I'd go as far to say your taunts are an attempt to arouse derision.
I'm unreasonable. Ticketmaster is unreasonable, Landau is unreasonable, Springsteen is unreasonable. Angry internet mob totally reasonable?
Sounds reasonable to me.
I just can't wrap my head around someone supporting the underhanded dealings of a corporate monopoly also digging the jam band Phish. That has to be one tiny overlap in the venn diagram of Phish fans.
@DenverBrian posted:I just can't wrap my head around someone supporting the underhanded dealings of a corporate monopoly also digging the jam band Phish. That has to be one tiny overlap in the venn diagram of Phish fans.
"The underhanded dealings of a corporate Monopoly" More words that say nothing. You think tickets are too expensive, fine. All this other crap where people say meaningless stuff they can't explain is just worthless. Please explain in detail how they are a Monopoly (when many competitors exist like AXS and SeatGeek and others). Please explain in detail how they act underhandedly. Please no more slogans or vague descriptions. Please elaborate and explain what the real problem is with charging a reasonable service fee for an amazing service. (I can't believe anyone who ever slept on the ground in line for tickets doesn't LOVE Ticketmaster in 2023. Not sleeping on the ground = PRICELESS)
Phish just finished their Mexico resort 4 night festival last night (All 4 shows already mixed by Altschiller and released by NUGS INCLUDING LAST NIGHT. All 4 shows Webcast)
Tickets were like $5000 each or more. (Plus minimum of 2. No singles) No idea what the service charge was but the point is, Phish Phans support ticketmaster as much or more than any other fans. Tickets are the bands PRIMARY product.
Final Portland setlist.
Start: 7:45
1. No Surrender
2. Ghosts
3. Prove It
4. Letter To You
5. Promised Land
6. Out In the Street
7. Candy's Room
8. Kitty's Back
9. I'M ON FIRE
10. Burnin' Train
11. Johnny 99
12. E Street Shuffle
13. Last Man Standing
14. Backstreets
15. Because the Night
16. She's The One
17. Wrecking Ball
18. The Rising
19. Badlands
20. Thunder Road
21. Born To Run
22. Rosalita
23. Glory Days
24. Dancing in the Dark
25. 10th Avenue Freeze Out
26. I'll See You In My Dreams
End: 10:25
Great show, although it was a bit shorter than previous shows I've been to. The only glitch was the traffic jam a few blocks from the Moda Center, caused by the state wrestling tournament at an adjacent venue leaving as we were coming in. (I incorrectly believed there were no events at there.) We left home @ 6:30pm, 30 minutes later than planned, didn't get into the East-West Parking Garages until 7:15 and (due to long, slow lines) didn't enter the venue until 7:45 as the first notes of "No Surrender" played.
Place was packed to the rafters as we walked in, though. So other folks apparently planned and executed better than I did to be in our six seats by 7. I blame the kids for arriving 30 minutes later for pre-concert dinner LOL.
Curtis and Lisa missing was a bit disappointing. Nils' slide guitar crapped out during his "Johnny 99" solo, so he had to switch mid-stream. I watched Steve's interaction with a fan that someone else mentioned, but couldn't figure it out at the time.
As usual, the show left me thirsting for more. So I briefly contemplated going to Seattle tonight. That won't happen, but will attend the PHX show Nov. 30. Will likely get day-of tix, possibly behind the stage. I watched Portland tickets drop like a rock the last two days, possibly due to weather concerns. I'm definitely not planning on paying $600 each (not counting fees) like I did for the six Sec 223 seats (straight view) we got here.
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