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With the 40th anniversary of Nebraska this year I wonder why they haven't continued to release more reissues of his albums after The River box set from 2015.

All the anniversaries for TOL, HT/LT, TGOTJ, Rising, D&D, Magic & WB went and gone without any decent re-release.

Only BITUSA was kind of honoured with release of the London 2013 full performance as bonus DVD with the deluxe edition of High Hopes.

I know that Bruce said, that there aren't many outtakes for the later albums. But I think Zimny and Flannigan as his archivists could find enough stuff to put together a decent 2 or 3 disc box set for every of the mentioned albums.

So what do you think? Why has it come to a stop?

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It’s likely more complicated than just selling the catalogue.   The demand for physical media is nowhere near what it was 10-15-20 years ago, and this includes vinyl, CD and DVD.  Downloads require way less effort than constructing a box set with all that entails.  You can be assured that executives at every label look at the numbers from hundreds of varied artists to see if they hit sales figures justifying cost.  (One reason why NUGS is lucrative - minimal cost.)    15 years ago, No Nukes would have been perfect as a big box set with all kinds of fantasy packaging (big photo book, perhaps CDs of each show in their entirety, repros of backstage passes and set lists and guitar pics, etc, etc.,) but not in this market.   Most people today just want the music.  That will be parsed out very carefully.   I personally expect authorized ‘expanded’ editions of early albums to be physically issued long before big box sets.  Think ‘Born To Run’ but with already familiar outtakes on an additional disc from other compilations, and then say sweeteners like ‘Lonely Night In The Park’ and an alternate ‘Linda Let Me Be The One’.  Same kind of thing for the first 2 albums.  The cow will be very carefully milked to recoup the cost of acquisition.   A LOT of stuff has been released and/or quasi-legally circulated the past 25 plus years, way, way more than early fans up to the Tunnel era ever expected to hear.  There are very few ‘legendary’ outtakes that haven’t been released that carry the mystique that a ‘Murder Incorporated’ or ‘Roulette’ did for that era.  Sure, lots and lots of very interesting things remain in the vaults, and you can find lists on BruceBase if you want to find them.  But the demand for the physical box set and all it entails is just not there to justify the regular production.

We also have seen the albums coming out in Vinyl with much higher resolution.

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We also have seen the albums coming out in Vinyl with much higher resolution.

It should be interesting to hear what enhancements that the coming Mobile Fidelity Original Master Recording of Greetings will produce over prior pressings and mixes, both digital and analogue.   (I hope people with $50 Crosley turntables understand in advance that they will be unable to hear a real difference.) 😁 I look forward to hearing the opinions of members who have high end audiophile equipment.

[I will be much more excited to hear a proper OMR of WEISS.   Incident —-> into —-> Rosalita IMHO is like the moment you pour the chocolate syrup into the glass of cold, whole milk.  🎉 ]

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While I understand the economic rationale from the record company’s point of view, how does that explain the recent Neil Young Harvest box with 3 CDs and 2 DVDs (for only $50) and the Dylan Time Out of Mind box with 5 CDs? The audiences for Young and Dylan are the same audience as Bruce. A BITUSA box with 2 CDs (album and outtakes) and 2 DVDs (the Arthur Rosato filmed concerts) seems like it would be even more commercially justified than Young or Dylan.


 

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Q2, I doubt I'll be buying any more vinyl from MoFi and I'll bet a class action suit gets started.  Get a load of this?

How a Phoenix record store owner set the audiophile world on fire

MoFi claimed its expensive reissues were purely analog reproductions. It had been deceiving its customer base for years.

Mike Esposito works at his record store, the ‘In’ Groove, in Phoenix. (Caitlin O'Hara for The Washington Post)


Mike Esposito still won’t say who gave him the tip about the records. But on July 14, he went public with an explosive claim.

In a sometimes halting video posted to the YouTube channel of his Phoenix record shop, the ‘In’ Groove, Esposito said that “pretty reliable sources” told him that MoFi (Mobile Fidelity), the Sebastopol, Calif., company that has prided itself on using original master tapes for its pricey reissues, had actually been using digital files inits production chain. In the world of audiophiles — where provenance is everything and the quest is to get as close to the sound of an album’s original recording as possible — digital is considered almost unholy. And using digital while claiming not to isthe gravest sin a manufacturer can commit.

There was immediate pushback to Esposito’s video, including from some of the bigger names in the passionate audio community.

Shane Buettner, owner of Intervention Records, another company in the reissue business, defended MoFi on the popular message board moderated by mastering engineer Steve Hoffman. He remembered running into one of the company’s engineers at a recording studio working with a master tape. “I know their process and it’s legit,” he wrote. Michael Fremer, the dean of audiophile writing, was less measured. He slammed Esposito for irresponsibly spreading rumors and said his own unnamed source told him the record store owner was wrong. “Will speculative click bait YouTube videos claiming otherwise be taken down after reading this?” he tweeted.

But at MoFi’s headquarters in Sebastopol, John Wood knew the truth. The company’s executive vice president of product development felt crushed as he watched Esposito’s video. He has worked at the company for more than 26 years and, like most of his colleagues, championed its much lauded direct-from-master chain. Wood could hear the disappointment as Esposito, while delivering his report, also said that some of MoFi’s albums were among his favorites. So Wood picked up the phone, called Esposito and suggested he fly to California for a tour. It’s an invite he would later regret.

That visit resulted in a second video, published July 20, in which MoFi’s engineers confirmed, with a kind of awkward casualness, that Esposito was correct with his claims. The company that made its name on authenticity had been deceptive about its practices. The episode is part of a crisis MoFi now concedes was mishandled.

“It’s the biggest debacle I’ve ever seen in the vinyl realm,” says Kevin Gray, a mastering engineer who has not worked with MoFi but has produced reissues of musicians such as John Coltrane and Marvin Gaye.

“They were completely deceitful,” says Richard Drutman, 50, a New York City filmmaker who has purchased more than 50 of MoFi’s albums over the years. “I never would have ordered a single Mobile Fidelity product if I had known it was sourced from a digital master.”

Record labels use digital files to make albums all the time: It’s been the industry norm for more than a decade.But a few specialty houses — the Kansas-based Analogue Productions, London’s Electric Recording Co. and MoFi among them— have long advocated for the warmth of analog.

“Not that you can’t make good records with digital, but it just isn’t as natural as when you use the original tape,” says Bernie Grundman, 78, the mastering engineer who worked on the original recordings of Steely Dan’s “Aja,” Michael Jackson’s “Thriller” and Dr. Dre’s “The Chronic.”

Mobile Fidelity and its parent company, Music Direct, were slow to respond to the revelation. But last week, the company began updating the sourcing information on its website and also agreed to its first interview, with The Washington Post. The company says it first used DSD, or Direct Stream Digital technology, on a 2011 reissue of Tony Bennett’s “I Left My Heart in San Francisco.” By the end of 2011, 60 percent of its vinyl releases incorporated DSD. All but one of the reissues as part of its One-Step series, which include $125 box-set editions of Santana, Carole King and the Eagles, have used that technology. Going forward, all MoFi cutting will incorporate DSD.

Syd Schwartz, Mobile Fidelity’s chief marketing officer, made an apology.

“Mobile Fidelity makes great records, the best-sounding records that you can buy,” he said. “There had been choices made over the years and choices in marketing that have led to confusion and anger and a lot of questions, and there were narratives that had been propagating for a while that were untrue or false or myths. We were wrong not to have addressed this sooner.”

Mastering engineer Brad Miller founded MoFi in 1977 to cater largely to audiophiles. The company boomed during the 1980s, but by 1999, with vinyl sales plummeting, the company declared bankruptcy. Jim Davis, owner of the Chicago-based Music Direct, a company that specializes in audio equipment, purchased the label and revived MoFi. During the recent vinyl resurgence (vinyl sales in 2021 hit their highest mark in 30 years), MoFi’s specialty releases sell out quickly and can be found on secondary markets at much higher prices.

Marketing has been a key element of the MoFi model. Most releases include a banner on the album cover proclaiming it the “Original Master Recording.” And every One-Step, which cut out parts of the production process to supposedly get closer to the original tape, includes a thick explainer sheet in which the company outlines in exacting detail how it creates its records. But there has been one very important item missing: any mention of a digital step.

The company has obscured the truth in other ways. MoFi employees have done interviews for years without mentioning digital. In 2020, Grant McLean, a Canadian customer, got into a debate with a friend about MoFi’s sourcing. McLean believed in the company and wrote to confirm that he was right. In a response he provided to The Post, a customer service representative wrote McLean that “there is no analog to digital conversion in our vinyl cutting process.”

Earlier this year, MoFi announced an upcoming reissue of Jackson’s 1982 smash “Thriller” as a One-Step. The news release said the original master tape would be used for the repressing, which would have a run of 40,000 copies. That’s a substantially bigger number than the usual for a One-Step, which is typically limited to between 3,500 and 7,500 copies.

Michael Ludwigs, a German record enthusiast with a YouTube channel, 45 RPM Audiophile, questioned how this could be possible. Because of the One-Step process, an original master tape would need to be run dozens of times to make that many records. Why would Sony Music Entertainment allow that?

“That’s the kind of thing that deteriorates tape,” Grundman says.

“That’s the one where I think everyone started going, ‘Huh?’ ” says Ryan K. Smith, a mastering engineer at Sterling Sound in Nashville.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...log-digital-scandal/

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@LB posted:

While I understand the economic rationale from the record company’s point of view, how does that explain the recent Neil Young Harvest box with 3 CDs and 2 DVDs (for only $50) and the Dylan Time Out of Mind box with 5 CDs? The audiences for Young and Dylan are the same audience as Bruce. A BITUSA box with 2 CDs (album and outtakes) and 2 DVDs (the Arthur Rosato filmed concerts) seems like it would be even more commercially justified than Young or Dylan.

Neil Young own and controls his entire catalog and makes his own decisions on marketing.
Dylan has little say in his rereleases (I sit here with his Bootleg series Vol. 17 by my side).  In addition, Dylan has a bus load (if the bus is the size of Mexico City) of outtakes and alternate takes and a 60 year plus following of manic and rabid fans and followers (also in a big metaphorical bus) that eat anything Bob spits out, poops out, throws out or drops.   The Bob mania for every different lyric changed version of Tangled Up In Blue is not even close to the Bruce fans interested in the progression from Phantoms to Zero and Blind Terry.  “Same audience” doesn’t guarantee same response to like product - tickets, new media, nostalgia, ephemera, etc..  It’s a metric today, not a logic.  There are huge box set and multi disc vault releases for a lot of 60’s thru 90’s artists.  My point is not to argue worthiness - I am right with you there - it’s trying to understand the who, what and whys behind the decisions.  🤷🏻 (shrug)



Q2

Oats.
As to your MOFI article, oh yea.  There has been a huge uproar in that market since that story first broke.   It’s people furious that a digital step was secretly added to a promised all analog product (at a big retail price.)

I am not expecting miracles with an album from Bruce whose original masters and recording techniques are documented as less than optimum (gentle description).  But I am curious, with or without a ‘secret digital step’, what their wizards*  *please substitute any alternate word you find appropriate -  will do to the tapes.  

Now that I've had time to think about this preordered Greetings Release.  With Bruce not owning the Masters anymore.  I doubt Sony would lend them out to Mofi to use.  I'm seriously considering asking for my money back.

I sent Mofi an email asking them to reassure me.  I'll let you know what they have to say.

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Here's what I was told approximately one month ago:

"Hi John, thanks for your email. We do not have a specific ETA for the Boss reissue just yet, but any preorders won’t be fully charged for until they are in stock and ready to ship. We’ll update everyone via our newsletter once we are nearing the release date. Appreciate your patience!"

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Here is what I was told when they assured me the masters were analog.

Hi John,

"The Asbury tapes were original 15 IPS 1/4" analog master reels. They were transferred at Battery Studios in NYC to DSD256 by our engineer Shawn Britton, and then those files were flown to Northern California and used to cut the LP here on our cutting system in Sebastopol."

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I don't trust that they received proper permission from Bruce's Camp to do this. I also doubt they received any masters from Bruce's Camp which is what I was told they were waiting for.

They sent me my pre-order out of the blue.  I sent it back unopened 10 months after my original order.

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