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Ok I have secured the doco now but still waiting for the album to arrive.

need advice. Should I listen to the album first, before I watch the doco?? Or just watch the doco now?

Cheers,

Hazy

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She said last night she read those letters...
And they made her feel one hundred years old...


I would have liked to be offered more insight into how the band arrived at arrangements.

Agreed, it wouldve been great to see how they worked it out from the first run through from Bruce to the live take.

Cheers,

Hazy

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She said last night she read those letters...
And they made her feel one hundred years old...


This "documentary" is a major disappointment. Zimny has remade Western Stars, which is inexcusable given that he spent 4 days in studio with the band as they figured out the arrangements for most of the album. Western Stars was an interesting concert film. Letter To You is basically a series of videos for the album, interspersed with some tantalising glimpses of the band at work. I wish he (and Bruce) had focused on the creativity that must have been floating around, not the finished product – we got that on the record.

I really loved the film. Sure they could have done something more in depth, to show the creative process from start to finish. But that is why we are never ever fully satisfied anymore. I am just glad Bruce released the film, and gave us this insight in the proces. Seeing the band work together in these fragments, it's just pure pleasur. So ask yourself, why is it you always want more?

I've seen this on the Archive releases, the official recordings, the films, the concerts. People just feel the need to complain, as it is nowadays never enough, never good enough. Just be glad we still get new music, and old music as well.

Surely, you may be disappointed, but that is just your opinion, based on your expectations propably.


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@Ponyboy posted:

...ask yourself, why is it you always want more?

Surely, you may be disappointed, but that is just your opinion, based on your expectations propably.

Kinsey just explained it before your post:

@Kinsey posted:

...Letter To You is basically a series of videos for the album, interspersed with some tantalising glimpses of the band at work...

I think this time around most of us are not complaining too much about the music.

But the accompanying video piece was advertised as a "documentary" - which it simply is not.

It contains music videos as a companion piece to the album. And some snippets of the work in the studio. The "music videos" are not even showing the band playing live. They are cut randomly.

Nobody is comparing "Letter to you" to "Darkness".

But given that Apple sells the video as a documentary, some expectations might have been justified, after "The Promise".

But - ok - I won't complain. At least it was nice seeing the band.

And I think there was at least one scene when most of us smiled...

When they raise their glasses and shout "San Siro" ... "Four nights!"

Since I seem to have started the complaining about the "documentary" I'll just add this bit in. Zimny was asked to film but told to "stay out of the way" of the creative process. So in essence, filming from some distance, he can't encumber what is happening around him and in front of him. And to track the development of the arrangement of a song might get boring in a hurry for those with little musical knowledge. Case in point, unlike many artists, Bruce has never released demos of songs. He's released finished outtakes only on the box sets. As co-producer of the film, it's his call about what he wishes to unveil about how he works.

Anyhow, I just wanted to play devil's advocate for my own comments after reading this piece on Backstreets.

http://www.backstreets.com/zimnyonLTY.html

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@ralfsturm posted:


But the accompanying video piece was advertised as a "documentary" - which it simply is not.

But given that Apple sells the video as a documentary, some expectations might have been justified, after "The Promise".

How would you advertise this video? To me a documentary is something that gives me a little more insight, in this case in the creative process. Bruce explains things about the songs, supported by old fragments and pictures.

Anyway, what anybody else things of the video is there own right to judge. I just feel we've become a bunch of complainer, never satisfied with anything that is released. That's what my earlier response was actually about.


I'll be GROWIN' UP just FOR YOU Boss!       ~       Brucebase Wiki


 

Since I seem to have started the complaining about the "documentary" I'll just add this bit in. Zimny was asked to film but told to "stay out of the way" of the creative process. So in essence, filming from some distance, he can't encumber what is happening around him and in front of him. And to track the development of the arrangement of a song might get boring in a hurry for those little musical knowledge. Case in point, unlike many artists, Bruce has never released demos of songs. He's released finished outtakes only on the box sets. As co-producer of the film, it's his call about what he wishes to unveil about how he works.

Anyhow, I just wanted to play devil's advocate for my own comments after reading this piece on Backstreets.

http://www.backstreets.com/zimnyonLTY.html

Good points.

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@Ponyboy posted:

I just feel we've become a bunch of complainer, never satisfied with anything that is released. That's what my earlier response was actually about.

Dear Ponyboy,

thank you for your comments on mine.

There is good reason why I come to visit the SPL every day - and never check on any of the others boards:

I like the vibe here! - And that includes ventilating frustrations about things that could have been done differently.

Of course there is NO REAL REASON to complain about anything given the releases we received in the past ten years. Darkness Box, River Box, unbelievable shows in between 2012 and 2016 (2017 for the Aussies...) Broadway show (though I couldn't get tickets we got the movie...), Western Stars... Nuff reasons to be thankful!

Myself I will not watch the "documentary" again. I cancelled my Apple trial membership, so no harm done.

But the album is on heavy rotation on my home stereo and  car and will remain so for months to come I assume.

Now I will shut up until TRACKS 2 shall be released.

@ralfsturm posted:


Myself I will not watch the "documentary" again. I cancelled my Apple trial membership, so no harm done.

But the album is on heavy rotation on my home stereo and  car and will remain so for months to come I assume.

Now I will shut up until TRACKS 2 shall be released.

I apologise, if I made you feel I attacked you, which was not my goal with the remark that I made. So no harm done, I hope.

I like the board too, the free spirit here is good, although, and I still feel like this, i think we nowadays complain so much. Especially now we could use little more uplifting, and positive vibes.

And for your knowledge I cancelled my trial subscription first thing after seeing the documentary. There are other ways to see it again ;-) And I am not in favour of these solely for a certain service release.

  • Springsteen on Broadway - Still only on Netflix
  • Letter To You - Only on AppleTV+

If we need to pay for each of these services, we would go bankrupt ;-)

After hearing about the work on Tracks2 I am already looking forward to it.

Continue to enjoy the music we get


I'll be GROWIN' UP just FOR YOU Boss!       ~       Brucebase Wiki


 

@Ponyboy posted:

I apologise, if I made you feel I attacked you, which was not my goal with the remark that I made. So no harm done, I hope.

All is fine my friend!

In fact my wife will return from a holiday with the kids tomorrow and I am thinking about wooing her into - among other things - rewatching the "documentary" with me... which I obtained through the magic of f*******ing.

Now back to complaining mode: Why do we have to wait so long for Tracks 2?!

  • Springsteen on Broadway - Still only on Netflix
  • Letter To You - Only on AppleTV+


Torrent searches can find both of these. Since they were broadcast, I believe they are both legal to download and burn to DVD as long as you don't sell them. Lawyers out there can correct me if I'm wrong and the Mods here can delete this post.


 

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@LB posted:
  • Springsteen on Broadway - Still only on Netflix
  • Letter To You - Only on AppleTV+


Torrent searches can find both of these. Since they were broadcast, I believe they are both legal to download and burn to DVD as long as you don't sell them. Lawyers out there can correct me if I'm wrong and the Mods here can delete this post.

Downloading is also illegal, but has no priority in procecuting. Naturally I downloaded them. Does remain that they are officially only on these streaming-services, so available to a limited number of people (legally ;-)


I'll be GROWIN' UP just FOR YOU Boss!       ~       Brucebase Wiki


 

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