Originally Posted By: tattooDad
I think that for the VFC and Human Rights tour at least, there's no reason to have five shows. Perhaps it's worth having more than five for some other tours.
I'm thinking now that maybe we set an upper limit of, say, 100 boots total and then figure out how to divvy them up among the tours, with at least a couple from every major period.


I agree. Can I also suggest that we adopt a 'standard' format for posting suggestions as it then makes it easier to compile the list eg :-

YYYY-MM-DD,Title,City or venue,Country,Version

0, not applicable or not known can be used as appropriate eg

1985-00-00,Wembley Night,London,UK,Crystal Cat
Here are some suggestions to add to the master list:

Instead of "Pre 1975" I think it should be pre Born to Run. So the 1975-02/05 - Main Point, Bryn Mawr, PA should be here and not the Born to Run tour.

Born to Run:
This tour ran until May 1976 so 1976-04-04 East Lansing (Rise like the Rain (Ev2) belongs here and not the Chicken Scratch.
1975/11/24 - Hammersmith Odeon, London, UK Shit Hot and Rockin'

Darkness: I think we may need more than 5 shows for this tour. I suggest making this and the River tour ten shows.
1978/07/07 - Roxy, Los Angeles, CA (No Private Parties)
1978/089/09 - Agora, Cleveland, OH (Agora Night)
1978/09/03 - Civic Centre, Saginaw, MI
1978/09/30 - Fox Theatre, Atlanta, Georgia (Same Old Played Out Scenes)
1978/12/15 - Winterland, San Francisco, CA (Walking in a Springsteen Wonderland - Hojo Version)
1978/12/19 - Paramount Theatre, Portland, OR (Paramount Night)

River:
1981//08/20 - Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA (As Dreams Don't Mean Nothin?) - This has to be on the final list
1981/08/28 - Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA (Scattered Like Dry Leaves)

More suggestions to come . . .



 

"I've done my best to live the right way"

Originally Posted By: NB
Seeger Sessions

2006-04-30 New Orleans Jazzfest
2006-10-05 Verona (I prefer the full audience tape to the SBD/Aud compiliation)
2006-10-30 Globen, Stockholm (Stockholm Tonight CC)
2006-11-11 Wembley Arena, London (Wembley Sessions Second Night CC)
2006-11-19 The Point, Dublin

Notable mention for

2009-05-10 St. Lukes, London (BBC Broadcast)
2006-05-21 Hovet, Stockholm (Stockholm Session Night)

First time I'm into this thread, and I really want to nominate:
2006-05-20 Oslo Spektrum, Oslo, Norway, Bull recording.

The sound is just wonderful, and the performance is fantastic.
Originally Posted By: LB

1978/12/15 - Winterland, San Francisco, CA (Walking in a Springsteen Wonderland - Hojo Version)

So you consider this superior to the CC version and the PS 25th Ann remaster? Well, for me, it is very hard to tell a difference, but I recently settled for keeping CC on my CD shelf and store the Hojo Flacs on a DVD...
Originally Posted By: AndreaWozzup
I'd add surely this in the WOAD category:

The Dump That Jumps (LA Sports Arena 16/4/2009)

well imho this is the best sounding boot.. ever


I knew people would mention this show. As a boot, it is a very good recording. But, as a performance, so-so.
My $.02-there should be sub-headings, i.e. sound quality, performance and historical value.

Some might fit all three-4 of the 1978 radio broadcasts come to mind. Subjective, yes; but then "essential" is subjective also. There are at least 5 boots mentioned that don't fit.

This is a veiled attempt by tD to get the lurkers out of the closet.

I hope Flynn's head isn't damaged too badly after banging it against the wall multiple times.

I remember how my heart beat when you said I love you so...

Originally Posted By: zeke
Originally Posted By: Mando


YYYY-MM-DD,Title,City or venue,Country,Version

1985-00-00,Wembley Night,London,UK,Crystal Cat


That doesn't make any sense. Why scatter bootleg info?

It's YYYY-MM-DD, Location, Title (label)


Whatever, the importnat thing is that there is an agreed standard.
I suggest we put TD in charge and he set the rules on formatting, etc. otherwise, total chaos.

Just name your boots, and stop fussing with the formatting.

As for Count Basie, I have yet to hear a decent boot (are there more than two?) and given the newer and better boots of the most recent play throughs, although not played on some night, would put those in place of COunt Basie.

I am sure Flynn can "compile" two of those show portions into one, to replace Count Basie
Originally Posted By: quante
As for Count Basie, I have yet to hear a decent boot (are there more than two?) and given the newer and better boots of the most recent play throughs, although not played on some night, would put those in place of COunt Basie.


I can see what you're saying. Ev2's version is listenable, and for historical value it's important. I think it should be included for that alone (even if the GS #4 and Philly #2 versions of the albums were better).
I just listened to 1981/05/07 'Warm Welcome in Stockholm' and 1981/05/08 'Teardrops on the City Revisited' head to head, and I really don't think WWiS sounds better. And since the second night was an even better show to begin with, my recommendation is to put that one on this list. One of the classic vinyl boots, and an absolutely mindblowing show.
Originally Posted By: quante
Shea Last Dance needs to be on the list. Plus we have a decent DVD of that as well.


I'd put that in Eugene's Essentials category because of the whole final Rising show/Dylan/concert length duration rather than being one of the defitive boots from the Tour. Night #2 is a vastly better show, IMO.
Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
I just listened to 1981/05/07 'Warm Welcome in Stockholm' and 1981/05/08 'Teardrops on the City Revisited' head to head, and I really don't think WWiS sounds better. And since the second night was an even better show to begin with, my recommendation is to put that one on this list. One of the classic vinyl boots, and an absolutely mindblowing show.


I would not consider that one a Top 5 show for the River tour as I prefer the 1980's setlists, but definitely a "must have", if we expand the list to 10 per tour, and it would certainly make the Top 100. This show is a good example for the need to track down the best version of each show once the list is complete. Most of Ev2s releases are definitely an upgrade; for some shows, however, I think the original source or an alternative version is better than Ev2's, don't know about this one, though
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So you consider this superior to the CC version and the PS 25th Ann remaster? Well, for me, it is very hard to tell a difference, but I recently settled for keeping CC on my CD shelf and store the Hojo Flacs on a DVD...


Yes, I prefer the Hojo. The PS doesn't include the intro to Rosalita, which is a travesty. Between the Hojo and the CC it's a tossup, but the Hojo captures the atmosphere of the show better. I figure there will be lots of these sort of discussions about this list and I don't expect agreement, but that's part of the fun.

 

"I've done my best to live the right way"

Originally Posted By: LB
Quote:
So you consider this superior to the CC version and the PS 25th Ann remaster? Well, for me, it is very hard to tell a difference, but I recently settled for keeping CC on my CD shelf and store the Hojo Flacs on a DVD...


The PS doesn't include the intro to Rosalita, which is a travesty.


It doesn't? Didn't notice, that's how I keep attention, see...
I certainly think the PS version is an upgrade over the relatively "flat" CC version. How is Hojo's compared to PS's, soundwise?
Originally Posted By: Patrick
Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
I just listened to 1981/05/07 'Warm Welcome in Stockholm' and 1981/05/08 'Teardrops on the City Revisited' head to head, and I really don't think WWiS sounds better. And since the second night was an even better show to begin with, my recommendation is to put that one on this list. One of the classic vinyl boots, and an absolutely mindblowing show.


I would not consider that one a Top 5 show for the River tour as I prefer the 1980's setlists, but definitely a "must have", if we expand the list to 10 per tour, and it would certainly make the Top 100. This show is a good example for the need to track down the best version of each show once the list is complete. Most of Ev2s releases are definitely an upgrade; for some shows, however, I think the original source or an alternative version is better than Ev2's, don't know about this one, though


I agree with you on the EV2 part.

But 10 shows for each tour? Start with 5 and if needed we could ad as much as needed.
Originally Posted By: jumpstone
Originally Posted By: Patrick
Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
I just listened to 1981/05/07 'Warm Welcome in Stockholm' and 1981/05/08 'Teardrops on the City Revisited' head to head, and I really don't think WWiS sounds better. And since the second night was an even better show to begin with, my recommendation is to put that one on this list. One of the classic vinyl boots, and an absolutely mindblowing show.


I would not consider that one a Top 5 show for the River tour as I prefer the 1980's setlists, but definitely a "must have", if we expand the list to 10 per tour, and it would certainly make the Top 100. This show is a good example for the need to track down the best version of each show once the list is complete. Most of Ev2s releases are definitely an upgrade; for some shows, however, I think the original source or an alternative version is better than Ev2's, don't know about this one, though


I agree with you on the EV2 part.

But 10 shows for each tour? Start with 5 and if needed we could ad as much as needed.


Agree generally. I was only referring to a post from TD that for some tours a Top 5 may not be enough to include all "must-haves" and the River tour may be one of them. I certainly do not need more than 5 from HT/LT, TOL, GOTJ or the Seeger sessions...(no, not saying that these tours were equally bad, just examples)
Originally Posted By: Patrick
Agree generally. I was only referring to a post from TD that for some tours a Top 5 may not be enough to include all "must-haves" and the River tour may be one of them. I certainly do not need more than 5 from HT/LT, TOL, GOTJ or the Seeger sessions...(no, not saying that these tours were equally bad, just examples)


I read that post from TD but I think we should stick to the basic. 5 shows each tour.

So for the great Darkness tour I think 5 is enough. The big 4 (Roxy, Agora, Passaic and Winterland) and my personal favorite to add is the final Palladium show for the setlist. Although the final Passaic setlist is even better it has not the same soundquality.

For the River tour you got the 3 soundboards from the 3 December shows ofcourse. Add the Vets show. But you can discuse if you need all 3 Nassau shows. And personaly I think the River shows arent that different when you look at the setlists. Add the mostly poor tapes. So do we still need more then 5 shows??
Originally Posted By: jumpstone
And personaly I think the River shows arent that different when you look at the setlists.


I don't see how that argument would suit the Darkness tour any differently?
But let's not make this another Darkness vs. River-tour argument. Let's just agree that there's certainly a big difference from a fall 1980-show to a summer 1981-show.

My picks for the River-tour:

1980/11/05 Tempe
1980/12/29 Nassau
1980/12/31 Nassau
1981/05/08 Stockholm
1981/08/20 LA
Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
I don't see how that argument would suit the Darkness tour any differently?


So true.

Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
But let's not make this another Darkness vs. River-tour argument. Let's just agree that there's certainly a big difference from a fall 1980-show to a summer 1981-show.

My picks for the River-tour:

1980/11/05 Tempe
1980/12/29 Nassau
1980/12/31 Nassau
1981/05/08 Stockholm
1981/08/20 LA


You are right again Sir.

But that Tempe show. I havent listened to it in a long time but I remember that it isnt that great. Or perhaps you got another (better) version?
Originally Posted By: jumpstone
Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
I don't see how that argument would suit the Darkness tour any differently?


So true.

Originally Posted By: son_of_izzy
But let's not make this another Darkness vs. River-tour argument. Let's just agree that there's certainly a big difference from a fall 1980-show to a summer 1981-show.

My picks for the River-tour:

1980/11/05 Tempe
1980/12/29 Nassau
1980/12/31 Nassau
1981/05/08 Stockholm
1981/08/20 LA


You are right again Sir.

But that Tempe show. I havent listened to it in a long time but I remember that it isnt that great. Or perhaps you got another (better) version?


That must have been a really long time ago, then...;) But I remember from one of your previous posts that you rate sound quality over performance/setlist, right? Then of course the three Nassau shows easily surpass this one. By the way, this is one example of a show where EVs version clearly is an upgrade to my ears
Of course, then there's the issue of a "special" show vs a show that is a good representation of that tour. The main example I'm thinking of is the 92-93 tour. On one hand, the 6/24/93 show was incredibly special with the near-ESB reunion, the horns, and Southside. On the other hand, it wasn't very typical of a show from that tour. Looking back, I'd prefer the Tacoma 92 show over this one or even the 8/7/92 show (New Jersey Friday Night), as it featured a lot of the material from the '92 albums.

Regarding placing a hard limit on either the total number of recordings or the number of recordings per tour, my thought is that if you need more for a tour, such as 78 or 80-81, but less for something like VFC or Amnesty, that's how it should be. There are certainly more than 5 shows that would be considered "essential" from the Darkness tour, but 5 would easily be overkill for the other two I mentioned.

And, certainly, just like I did a few years ago, once you have the essential shows/recordings, you can easily come up with a list of "Other Recommended" shows.

Of course, keep in mind that there will not be a single list that everyone is going to agree upon.

Flynn
Originally Posted By: Flynn
Regarding placing a hard limit on either the total number of recordings or the number of recordings per tour, my thought is that if you need more for a tour, such as 78 or 80-81, but less for something like VFC or Amnesty, that's how it should be. There are certainly more than 5 shows that would be considered "essential" from the Darkness tour, but 5 would easily be overkill for the other two I mentioned.
I think that's very true. It would simply not fit to have 5 from VFC or Amnesty and 5 from Darkness. Maybe we can refer to the number of shows per tour?
Originally Posted By: NB
Originally Posted By: quante
Shea Last Dance needs to be on the list. Plus we have a decent DVD of that as well.


I'd put that in Eugene's Essentials category because of the whole final Rising show/Dylan/concert length duration rather than being one of the defitive boots from the Tour. Night #2 is a vastly better show, IMO.


Agreed.
Originally Posted By: Flynn
Of course, then there's the issue of a "special" show vs a show that is a good representation of that tour. The main example I'm thinking of is the 92-93 tour. On one hand, the 6/24/93 show was incredibly special with the near-ESB reunion, the horns, and Southside. On the other hand, it wasn't very typical of a show from that tour. Looking back, I'd prefer the Tacoma 92 show over this one or even the 8/7/92 show (New Jersey Friday Night), as it featured a lot of the material from the '92 albums.

Regarding placing a hard limit on either the total number of recordings or the number of recordings per tour, my thought is that if you need more for a tour, such as 78 or 80-81, but less for something like VFC or Amnesty, that's how it should be. There are certainly more than 5 shows that would be considered "essential" from the Darkness tour, but 5 would easily be overkill for the other two I mentioned.

And, certainly, just like I did a few years ago, once you have the essential shows/recordings, you can easily come up with a list of "Other Recommended" shows.

Of course, keep in mind that there will not be a single list that everyone is going to agree upon.

Flynn


One VFC show would be more than overkill.
Originally Posted By: NB
If we're going to create a list of 100, surely both Darkness and River Tours should have at least 7 shows each.


agreed - no one needs more than 2 from the Magic / WOAD tours.

Ha, this is so typically SPL - spend more time arguing about how the list should be organised rather than whats on the list.
The Rising Tour:

2002-10-27 London Night
2003-08-11 Philadelphia
2003-08-30 N.J. Ev2 mix
2003-08-31 N.J. Ev2 mix
2003-10-03 Shea (Is Juan Samuez the best version?)

I am also partial to these two shows, but they probably aren't "essential."

2002-10-06 Philadelphia
2002-10-18 Bologna
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