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Just an old bear looking for some easy prey. I guess the Russians are tired of the mob stealing the profits down stream so they had to look upstream.

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In the basement at St. Johns well I found her where she fell

Just another busted sister of Heartbreak Hotel

Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


Those were the Chechen separatists. The Russians proceeded to level all of Chechnya to quell the insurrection.

Google Grozny and see what you find.

Julia Roberts did a documentary about the school hostage situation, which is actually pretty good, but intense.


Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


Thats actually very stupid. Even for you.


Just trying to emphasise the utter stupidity of your original comment. Next time you might think before you come out with one of your inane comments.
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Originally Posted By: Mando
[quote=jwelsh]Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


Thats actually very stupid. Even for you.


Just trying to emphasise the utter stupidity of your original comment. Next time you might think before you come out with one of your inane comments. [/quote]

It wasn't a comment stupid. It was a question that I didn't know the answer to.
Unlike most Euro's I don't know all the answers to every countries problems. I remember Russia having some problems with terrorism a few years ago and was wondering if this was related.
Once again your reply was very stupid. Even for your very low standards.
Союз нерушимый республик свободных
Сплотила навеки Великая Русь!
Да здравствует созданный волей народов
Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

ПРИПЕВ:

Славься, Отечество наше свободное,
Дружбы народов надёжный оплот!
Партия Ленина ? сила народная
Нас к торжеству коммунизма ведёт!
2.
Сквозь грозы сияло нам солнце свободы,
И Ленин великий нам путь озарил:
На правое дело он поднял народы,
На труд и на подвиги нас вдохновил!

ПРИПЕВ
3.
В победе бессмертных идей коммунизма
Мы видим грядущее нашей страны,
И Красному знамени славной Отчизны
Мы будем всегда беззаветно верны!

ПРИПЕВ

In the victory of Communism's undying ideal,
We see the future of our dear land
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
selflessly true, we always shall stand!

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Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
[quote=Mando][quote=jwelsh]Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


Thats actually very stupid. Even for you.


Just trying to emphasise the utter stupidity of your original comment. Next time you might think before you come out with one of your inane comments. [/quote]

It wasn't a comment stupid. It was a question that I didn't know the answer to.
Unlike most Euro's I don't know all the answers to every countries problems. I remember Russia having some problems with terrorism a few years ago and was wondering if this was related.
Once again your reply was very stupid. Even for your very low standards. [/quote]

I offer my apology. I forget sometimes how ignorant some Americans can be.
Originally Posted By: DirtDiablo
Wonder if Russia will declare imminent threat to their national security as to why they invaded Georgia.


They invaded a democratically elected government, and a potential member of NATO. If that makes you smirk, you've got serious issues and really have no business in a seriously conversation about the next president of the United States.

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Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


I thought it was the British invasion of the Fauklands...

I love when Europeans try to lecture Americans on imperialism and war. You fuckers have left DNA from one end of the world to the other, and you bitch about us. Give it a rest. My father and grandfather had to restore peace and prosperity to your continent twice last century. A thank you would suffice.

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Originally Posted By: Julius
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


I thought it was the British invasion of the Fauklands...

I love when Europeans try to lecture Americans on imperialism and war. You fuckers have left DNA from one end of the world to the other, and you bitch about us. Give it a rest. My father and grandfather had to restore peace and prosperity to your continent twice last century. A thank you would suffice.


Yes I concede us Euros have left our DNA across the 4 corners of the globe, including a huge pile in the US. Unfortunately this included a faulty batch labelled ?Deluded, Xenophobic and self righteous? which was mistakenly sent to the US. This has resulted in a small but significant number of the population having warped and prejudicial views about the rest of the world whilst seeing their own country through rose tinted spectacles. Such myths are often perpetuated by regular viewing of those Hollywood movies depicting the US as the one and only true god given democratic nation whose every military action is accepted without question and who still cling to the belief that the allied forces that won both world wars consisted of the US, the whole US and nothing but the US.

OK that's me done with this thread - I am off to read up about Lions for Lambs.
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: Julius
Originally Posted By: Mando
[quote=jwelsh]Is this the same group of people who hold school kids hostage and
blow up airplanes?


No, that was the US invasion of Grenada.


I thought it was the British invasion of the Fauklands...

I love when Europeans try to lecture Americans on imperialism and war. You fuckers have left DNA from one end of the world to the other, and you bitch about us. Give it a rest. My father and grandfather had to restore peace and prosperity to your continent twice last century. A thank you would suffice.


Yes I concede us Euros have left our DNA across the 4 corners of the globe, including a huge pile in the US. Unfortunately this included a faulty batch labelled ?Deluded, Xenophobic and self righteous? which was mistakenly sent to the US. This has resulted in a small but significant number of the population having warped and prejudicial views about the rest of the world whilst seeing their own country through rose tinted spectacles. Such myths are often perpetuated by regular viewing of those Hollywood movies depicting the US as the one and only true god given democratic nation whose every military action is accepted without question and who still cling to the belief that the allied forces that won both world wars consisted of the US, the whole US and nothing but the US.

OK that's me done with this thread - I am off to read up about Lions for Lambs. [/quote]

But you forgot the "thank you".

Otto: Don't call me stupid.
Wendy: Why on earth not?
Otto: Oh, you English are *so* superior, aren't you? Well, would you like to know what you'd be without us, the good ol' U.S. of A. to protect you? I'll tell you. The smallest fucking province in the Russian Empire, that's what! So don't call me stupid, lady. Just thank me.
Wendy: Well, *thank* you for popping in and protecting us.
Otto: If it wasn't for us, you'd all be speaking *German!* Singing "Deutschland, Deutschland ?ber alles...?

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Originally Posted By: Julius
My father and grandfather had to restore peace and prosperity to your continent twice last century. A thank you would suffice.


Jules:

Certain current and former European members of this board actively take the position that our role in those conflicts is overblown and that Europe had it covered without our meager contribution. The delusion is nearly on the level of those who say that the Holocaust never happened.

Don't waste your electrons ...
If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.
Yeah I know. Maybe when they stop starting world wars and in-breeding each others kings and queens, I'll pay attention to the lovely lads.

That was the picture...thanks EV.

Yeah, Mando, that's just what McCain was thinking. Please don't bother with our affairs. You're underqualified to have an opinion. Still waiting for my thanks, btw.



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Originally Posted By: Dana
Originally Posted By: Julius
My father and grandfather had to restore peace and prosperity to your continent twice last century. A thank you would suffice.


Jules:

Certain current and former European members of this board actively take the position that our role in those conflicts is overblown and that Europe had it covered without our meager contribution. The delusion is nearly on the level of those who say that the Holocaust never happened.

Don't waste your electrons ...


I'd have to go with Jules and Dana on this one.

Without US help they would be speaking German throughout Europe. After WW II, would have been Russian.
Originally Posted By: jwelsh
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: Ev2
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McCain is thinking ' I'm sure I know him from somewhere..'


You promised us you wouldn't poist in this thread anymore.
I hate liars


You must really hate your president; he's been lying to you for 8 years. I am sure I can be forgiven one indiscretion on an internet message board.
Originally Posted By: Julius
Originally Posted By: DirtDiablo
Wonder if Russia will declare imminent threat to their national security as to why they invaded Georgia.


They invaded a democratically elected government, and a potential member of NATO. If that makes you smirk, you've got serious issues and really have no business in a seriously conversation about the next president of the United States.


You forgot to mention that Georgia invaded some neighboring countries first. Did Russia use this as an excuse to invade Georgia. Probably but that is no worse than the US invading Iraq based on the WMD excuse lies or the itchy trigger finger to go after Iran. No smirk but tired of cringing for our failed foriegn policies that are made up by people who are still fighting with a world map that was drawn during WWII.

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In the basement at St. Johns well I found her where she fell

Just another busted sister of Heartbreak Hotel

Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: Ev2
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McCain is thinking ' I'm sure I know him from somewhere..'


McCain is thinking, "That lying fuck how come his wife is hotter than mine?"

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In the basement at St. Johns well I found her where she fell

Just another busted sister of Heartbreak Hotel

Originally Posted By: Julius


Yeah, Mando, that's just what McCain was thinking. Please don't bother with our affairs. You're underqualified to have an opinion.


When the affairs of the US stop impacting on the rest of us that is when I will stop commenting.

Originally Posted By: Julius


Still waiting for my thanks, btw.



Yeah, thanks for proving the point I made about a small minority of those in the US having a warped and prejudicial view of American foreign policy.
Originally Posted By: Mando
Originally Posted By: Julius


Yeah, Mando, that's just what McCain was thinking. Please don't bother with our affairs. You're underqualified to have an opinion.


When the affairs of the US stop impacting on the rest of us that is when I will stop commenting.

Originally Posted By: Julius


Still waiting for my thanks, btw.





Yeah, thanks for proving the point I made about a small minority of those in the US having a warped and prejudicial view of American foreign policy.


The affairs of the US will always impact you. As you as you sit on your asses when genocide is taking place (Srebrenica etc...) waiting for the US to act, you are destined to be a subject to our foreign policy.

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Originally Posted By: DirtDiablo
Originally Posted By: Julius
Originally Posted By: DirtDiablo
Wonder if Russia will declare imminent threat to their national security as to why they invaded Georgia.


They invaded a democratically elected government, and a potential member of NATO. If that makes you smirk, you've got serious issues and really have no business in a seriously conversation about the next president of the United States.


You forgot to mention that Georgia invaded some neighboring countries first. Did Russia use this as an excuse to invade Georgia. Probably but that is no worse than the US invading Iraq based on the WMD excuse lies or the itchy trigger finger to go after Iran. No smirk but tired of cringing for our failed foriegn policies that are made up by people who are still fighting with a world map that was drawn during WWII.


I could be wrong (it's been known to happen), but I believe Southern Ossetia is within the borders of Georgia. And let's not forget the Russian occupied Abkhazia (also part of Georgia).

There is no excuse for what Russia just did.

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Let me get this straight. S. Ossetia a part of Georgia has been trying to assert its ethnic identity from an oppressive democratic gov't of Georgia (accusations of genocide and ethnic cleansing by gov't forces). Was Russia supposed to sit by as its former citizens get slaughtered ?

I am sure it was a flanking manuever by the Russians to take a port city of Abkhazia. Any way it seems that cooler heads have prevailed for the time being.

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In the basement at St. Johns well I found her where she fell

Just another busted sister of Heartbreak Hotel

Any flag waving, American neo-fascist militaristic cocksucker who supports the current Iraq invasion needs to take the George W. Bush flavored dildo out of their ass, stuff it down their throat, get over themselves and their 60 year old military victories in Europe, and shut the fuck up about the Russians and Georgia.

You've already shown yourselves to be too fucking stupid to have your opinions regarded as anything but the sheer ignorance they are.

Swiftus has spoken.
Originally Posted By: Swiftus
Any flag waving, American neo-fascist militaristic cocksucker who supports the current Iraq invasion needs to take the George W. Bush flavored dildo out of their ass, stuff it down their throat, get over themselves and their 60 year old military victories in Europe, and shut the fuck up about the Russians and Georgia.

You've already shown yourselves to be too fucking stupid to have your opinions regarded as anything but the sheer ignorance they are.

kenrico has spoken.
Don't sugar coat things ... tell us how your really feel.
Swiftus has a point. Our most recent preemptive invasion of Iraq did create a credibility gap.

Does not excuse the Russkies actions, but we are hardly in a position to be indignant about it based on some violation of international law.

As pure raw politik, we can try to stop increased Russian power and influence. I'm all for that.
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