I'm really tired of telling people why they are wrong about Ticketing. Moving on to why everyone is wrong about Queen Of The Supermarket.
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Okay, I just revisited the song and nope, I still don't like it. Frankly, given how often he played it live, neither does Bruce.
@DenverBrian posted:Okay, I just revisited the song and nope, I still don't like it. Frankly, given how often he played it live, neither does Bruce.
Objection, assumes facts not in evidence, speculation, misrepresentation of the facts.
Two thoughts:
[1] Queen of the Supermarket has grown on me (like a fungus) and I like it well enough now. I was in Ottawa in 2012 (with Peter) and it was played by request, which at the time surprised me -- but I loved the version he did that night and got the sense it might have originated after an event like you describe in your video while shopping (not unlike I Wanna Marry You was described during the River Tour) for Bruce. That night, I got the sense that he liked the song, even if most other folks didn't The setlist notes from Backstreets Setlist Site:
I am okay with Mary Queen of Arkansas, which got a tremendous amount of hate at the Greetings from AP Symposium from the stage. Outlaw Pete, I don't think I will ever get there -- leave it to Billy Joel and the legend of Billy The Kid for that sort of thing IMHO.
[2] You started the post "I'm really tired of telling people why they are wrong about Ticketing. Moving on to why everyone is wrong about Queen Of The Supermarket." -- I love it!! Reminds me of the Penguin on the Telly Sketch from Monty Python (https://vimeo.com/180493607):
1: (angrily) 'ow should I know which zoo it's from?!? I'm not Doctor bloody
Bernofsky!!
2: 'Oo's Doctor bloody Bernofsky?
1: He knows everything.
2: Oooh, I wouldn't like that, that'd take all the mystery out of life.
I am glad not to be you, as it would take all the mystery out of life :-). I say that with peace and love and tongue in cheek!!
Hope you are feeling better and rested up.
Ed
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I do like it
I was also at the show in Ottawa when Queen of the Supermarket was played. It was a very special moment. I went to the show with my then 17 year-old daughter. On the drive up she asked me if Bruce had any songs that sucked cause she only ever heard greatness. I popped Queen into the CD player and she agreed it was on the cheese side. "Has he ever played it?" she asked. I told her he hadn't (was wrong, he did only once prior) and that there was zero chance she'd hear it that night. Lo and behold, Bruce sees the request sign and plays it. It was an awe-inspring moment. Next day, the Ottawa Citizen newspaper had an interview with the woman who held up the sign. It was her favorite song! I reminded my daughter that it is moments like these that make Springsteen shows unqiue - you just never know!
Musically brilliant, lyrically crap. In other words, perfectly representative of WOAD.
@Kinsey posted:Musically brilliant, lyrically crap. In other words, perfectly representative of WOAD.
Please post your credentials that give credibility to your declaration that YOU are better suited to decide what songs are "Crap" than Bruce Springsteen.
Thanks
How dare you, I've been spouting unverifiable opinion here for years.
Now please repeat after me - "I, Phisherman, solemnly swear that from henceforth I shall read the posts I quote more carefully."
@Kinsey posted:How dare you, I've been spouting unverifiable opinion here for years.
Now please repeat after me - "I, Phisherman, solemnly swear that from henceforth I shall read the posts I quote more carefully."
I read it very well, it quite clearly says your opinion of WOAD and the QOTS lyrics are superior to Bruce Springsteen's opinion of them who felt they were good enough to put his name and reputation on the cover. You call them CRAP. But who are you?
I call them "A major part of the greatest body of work of any recording artist in history" Of course that's just my opinion and the only opinion that really matters is Springsteen's. (Who felt WOAD and Supermarket were worthy of sharing with the world. The same guy who threw Born To Run in the pool)
@Phisherman posted:But who are you?
[Snip]
Of course that's just my opinion.
Looks like we're on the same page.
Related demo still in the vault....
Dirtied Fleshlight After Grocery Shopping
This bout will last 12 rounds. Marquis of Queensbury rules. No hitting below the belt.
IN THIS CORNER:
“There's a wonderful world where all you desire
And everything you've longed for is at your fingertips
Where the bittersweet taste of life is at your lips
Where aisles and aisles of dreams await you
And the cool promise of ecstasy fills the air
At the end of each working day she's waiting there
I'm in love with the queen of the supermarket
As the evening sky turns blue
A dream awaits in aisle number two
With my shopping cart I move through the heart
Of a sea of fools so blissfully unaware
That they're in the presence of something wonderful and rare
The way she moves behind the counter
Beneath her white apron her secrets remain hers
As she bags the groceries, her eyes so bored
And sure she's unobserved
I'm in love with the queen of the supermarket
There's nothing I can say
Each night I take my groceries and I drift away
And I drift away
With guidance from the gods above
At night I pray for the strength to tell the one I love
I love I love I love her so
I take my place in the checkout line
For one moment her eyes meet mine
And I'm lifted up, lifted up, lifted up, lifted up
I'm in love with the queen of the supermarket
Though a company cap covers her hair
Nothing can hide the beauty waiting there
The beauty waiting there
As I lift my groceries into my car
I turn back for a moment and catch a smile
That blows this whole fucking place apart”
VRS:
IN THIS CORNER:
“With her killer graces and her secret places
that no boy can fill
With her hands on her hips
Oh and that smile on her lips
Because she knows that it kills me
With her soft French cream
Standing in that doorway like a dream
I wish she'd just leave me alone
Because French cream won't soften them boots
And French kisses will not break that heart of stone
With her long hair falling
And her eyes that shine like a midnight sun
Whoah-o she's the one
That thunder in your heart
At night when you're kneeling in the dark
It says you're never gonna leave her
But there's this angel in her eyes
That tells such desperate lies
And all you want to do is believe her
And tonight you'll try just one more time
To leave it all behind and to break on through
Oh she can take you, but if she wanna break you
She gonna find out that ain't so easy to do
And no matter where you sleep tonight or how far you run
Whoah-o she's the one”
~~~~~~~~
Fight ends 1 minute 14 seconds of the first round. KO. Unrecognizable to herself, dead, bloodied Queen is wheeled out in a shopping cart to a hearse waiting in a designated curbside pickup only lane next to the dumpsters.
Remember the wise words of the pure American brother, Jimmy The Saint:
“If everyone liked what your grandpa liked, they’d all be screwing your grandma”.
Most fortunately for your grandmother, people have a myriad of different tastes.
@Q2 posted:...Fight ends 1 minute 14 seconds of the first round. KO. Unrecognizable to herself, dead, bloodied Queen is wheeled out in a shopping cart to a hearse waiting in a designated curbside pickup only lane next to the dumpsters.
No need to even go to the judges. Well played.
"There is no 'better' in art" Steve Van Zandt
The meaning is."She's the One" is NOT better than "Queen Of The Supermarket"
@Phisherman posted:"There is no 'better' in art" Steve Van Zandt
"The hell there isn't" Deep Eddy Vodka
@DeepEddyVodka posted:"The hell there isn't" Deep Eddy Vodka
Your artistic credentials?
Here's Steve's
My credentials are that I am not bound by rationalizations that equate a brilliant song like She's The One, written in the free love era, with a piece of crap song, Queen of the Supermarket, written in the early #MeToo era.
Queen of the Supermarket I am ready to include in the Statutory Rape Pack of Springsteen Songs, like 30 Days Out, Working on the Highway, I Wanna Marry You, and I'm on Fire.
Lastly, if I ever posted my work on Amazon, you would never see the depreciating price drop as is happening to Steve Van Zandt's book.
@Phisherman posted:"There is no 'better' in art" Steve Van Zandt
The meaning is."She's the One" is NOT better than "Queen Of The Supermarket"
Phish, you CAN do better than quoting a man’s lifelong best friend and employee as an example of the perfect unbiased judge. But your example helps to remind me of the story of the twins who brutally murdered their parents, then cried for mercy from the court because they were orphans. If you can never admit that you can be wrong sometimes, (and I fully understand your inability, Jon Landau shares the same problem as does an entire broadcast news network that starts with an F and ends with an X) at least make your arguments cohesive. Thank you, kindly.
- “An’ here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice”
* Robert Zimmerman, Duluth,Minnesota
Footnote: *also the composer of “Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle”, "A major part of the greatest body of work of any recording artist in history" Of course that's just my opinion… 🤔
@Q2 posted:Phish, you CAN do better than quoting a man’s lifelong best friend and employee as an example of the perfect unbiased judge. But your example helps to remind me of the story of the twins who brutally murdered their parents, then cried for mercy from the court because they were orphans. If you can never admit that you can be wrong sometimes, (and I fully understand your inability, Jon Landau shares the same problem as does an entire broadcast news network that starts with an F and ends with an X) at least make your arguments cohesive. Thank you, kindly.
- “An’ here I sit so patiently
Waiting to find out what price
You have to pay to get out of
Going through all these things twice”* Robert Zimmerman, Duluth,Minnesota
Footnote: *also the composer of “Wiggle, Wiggle, Wiggle”, "A major part of the greatest body of work of any recording artist in history" Of course that's just my opinion… 🤔
I always admit when I'm wrong. Immediately and without hesitation.
Says the man who guaranteed shows on this tour would not happen then ignored that he made those statements when the shows went on.
@DenverBrian posted:Says the man who guaranteed shows on this tour would not happen then ignored that he made those statements when the shows went on.
huh?
@Phisherman posted:huh?
From the Houston show thread: "There is no way Houston happens. Thats my guess."
I think there was one other time you were confident a show wasn't going to happen either. The problem is you predict things with certainty, like you have some inside information when you are just wagging it.
I'll add, that this thread is no different. People are not wrong about their choice to like a song or not like it. It's subjective. To some people, they listen to Born to Run or Jungleland and think it sucks because it's not their style of music. It's an opinion. In the end, who cares?
@DenverBrian posted:From the Houston show thread: "There is no way Houston happens. Thats my guess."
I think there was one other time you were confident a show wasn't going to happen either. The problem is you predict things with certainty, like you have some inside information when you are just wagging it.
Not only do I clearly state it was my GUESS, I was on a plane to Houston the morning of the show. I never told anyone the show was cancelled.
You are boring me Phish. Just like jam band music.
Problem solved!
@DenverBrian posted:From the Houston show thread: "There is no way Houston happens. Thats my guess."
I think there was one other time you were confident a show wasn't going to happen either. The problem is you predict things with certainty, like you have some inside information when you are just wagging it.
DB, In all fairness, Phish qualified his statement with “that’s my guess” according to the quote. He IS (as should we all be) above any hostility or attack when an absolute belief is left open for others to be of a different opinion. There was a time when I unhesitatingly would have bet your left arm and right testicle that we would never live to hear a fully realized recording of either Priest or Janey, let alone see a live performance of either. For the sake of my humility, let alone your uncomfortable limp, I am glad I never made that wager. 😝
What? You think I’d wager one of my own limbs or endanglements? HA! I learned my lesson when I got to see Bruce play Seaside Bar Song and Thundercrack. 😄
Like my Blood Brother, Ed... Queen has grown on me like a fungus, like this fungus... all black and sticking to all it touches.
B. compniacensis, known as the ‘Jack Daniels whiskey fungus’. It's known as the ‘warehouse staining’ that develops on outdoor surfaces subject to periodic exposure to ethanolic vapours near distilleries and bakeries.
Around the Jack Daniels distilleries the townships found out it was cheaper to replace the signs when they became illegible rather than keep cleaning them.
Hopefully the Queen has been put to rest for this tour.
Look, I loved "Queen" when WOAD came out. I liked most of "WOAD." People basically hate this song, Outlaw Pete (which I also love) and the title track, which is pretty iffy. The rest of WOAD is solid 60s pop and rock, with Springsteen dipping into pop country, blues, Beatles-esque pop, the Lauren Canyon sound, even some psychedelia. It's baffling the hate this record gets.
@Hey_Eddie posted:I was in Ottawa in 2012 (with Peter) and it was played by request, which at the time surprised me -- but I loved the version he did that night and got the sense it might have originated after an event like you describe in your video while shopping (not unlike I Wanna Marry You was described during the River Tour) for Bruce. That night, I got the sense that he liked the song, even if most other folks didn't The setlist notes from Backstreets Setlist Site:
Ed
Talk about this show led me to YouTube where I found video of the song from Ottawa but the sound was awful. So I took care of that.
@Phisherman posted:Talk about this show led me to YouTube where I found video of the song from Ottawa but the sound was awful. So I took care of that.
Very nice. He really sings here. 👍
Phisherman,
THANKS -- I had found the video to refresh my memory before posting, but it was unlistenable. Most folks (not me) tuned out during the performance and chatted away.
Really appreciate your taking the time to fix this one up for us.
Ed
Got it in Turku 2013 and he singed it very well. He was only trying to be Roy Orbison or Smokey Robinson. Nice pop song.
@Phisherman posted:Talk about this show led me to YouTube where I found video of the song from Ottawa but the sound was awful. So I took care of that.
Very nice
She's the One - she was 22.
Queen of the Supermarket - same woman - 42.
I'm in love with the queen of the supermarket. I married her, and it's her favorite song.
@DeepEddyVodka posted:Queen of the Supermarket I am ready to include in the Statutory Rape Pack of Springsteen Songs, like 30 Days Out, Working on the Highway, I Wanna Marry You, and I'm on Fire.
I think this statement reflects on you far more than Springsteen or his songs/lyrics. People see what they want to see and what you want to see is pretty messed up.
@bardas posted:Got it in Turku 2013 and he singed it very well. He was only trying to be Roy Orbison or Smokey Robinson. Nice pop song.
Boy the video for that sounded really awful too.
Not anymore!
It sounded like the audience Booed after the 1st chorus, I'm in love with etc..., when they realized it was Queen
Even with the great sync job Aron did and the near perfect sound... I have not changed my mind about this song. Bruce summed up my feelings when he stated nobody ever requests this song unless they work in a supermarket.
To my ears it is still a Whiskey Fungus encrusting all that hear it. But that's just me and to each their own. 
i think they wooo'd
On Ottawa someone makes their distaste known (maybe the taper?). Sounds like Finland gets really excited to me.