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The musician has forged deep ties with fans and long extolled the virtue of the little guy — and excoriated price gouging

Bruce Springsteen at his home in Colts Neck, N.J., on Sept. 26, 2019. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
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If you have a Bruce Springsteen fan in your life, they are probably upset, confused and short on cash. Last month, tickets for the U.S. leg of the artist’s 2023 tour went on sale. As usual, demand was high. This time, so were prices. Some tickets were listed for thousands of dollars (not including fees), in part because of TicketMaster’s use of “dynamic pricing”— an algorithm similar to that used for hotel rooms and airplane tickets. Initially, fans hoped that this was a misunderstanding, but those hopes were dashed by comments Springsteen’s manager made to the New York Times that seemed to acknowledge that Springsteen himself knew these types of prices might be in play.

The ticket fiasco is not just a public relations crisis. It calls into question Springsteen’s reciprocal relationship with his fans and the message he has repeatedly sent about the danger of unchecked corporate greed. As a living embodiment of what he famously called the “runaway American Dream,” Springsteen has never been against making a buck. But shows that are accessible only to the rich — or very lucky non-rich fans — seem to violate what Springsteen stands for and may lead fans to question the Boss’s commitment to the values that he and his music have exemplified for five decades.
Springsteen has spent his entire career engaging his audience in what he has called a “conversation.” This conversation has included everything from accepting song requests at concerts via homemade signs to making appearances at Jersey Shore haunts.

More than anything else, the live show is at the heart of the Springsteen/fan conversation. For years, he has played three-hour concerts — sometimes longer — with plenty of back and forth between artist and audience. From singalongs to call-and-response to crowd surfing, Springsteen concerts deliver a cocktail of joy, humor, grief, gravity, honesty, hope, deliverance, and — for many — even spiritual awakening.

And it didn’t always cost a fortune to get in. In 1984, tickets for Springsteen’s blockbuster “Born in the U.S.A.”tour cost around $15 apiece ($42 in 2022 dollars), half the price for Michael Jackson’s tour that same summer. Even as Springsteen tickets became more expensive over the years, they remained cheaper than comparable acts including Bob Dylan, the Rolling Stones and even fellow New Jerseyan Whitney Houston. There were complaints about the cost, to be sure, but also an understanding that Springsteen could have charged far more if he wanted to and that the prices reflected the inclusive atmosphere he wanted to create at his concerts.

And fans appreciated that, despite his legendary performances, Springsteen didn’t charge top dollar. Few musicians work as hard in concert, from bounding all over the stage to play to every seat in the arena to jumping onto pianos and wringing the sweat from his shirt. This is not Dylan, who rarely speaks during his shows, or Billy Joel, who puts on a good show but generally remains stationary behind his piano.

Springsteen’s effort is born in part from a sense of obligation he feels toward his audience. “You don’t go out there to deliver $7.50 worth of music,” he explained in the late 1970s. “My whole thing is to deliver what money could not possibly buy.” He has even acknowledged the widespread bootlegging of his shows and offered joking greetings to those illegally recording his concerts. He knew that he was creating magic onstage, and he understood fans’ desire to capture some of that magic to listen to over and over again.

This approach to his concerts fits nicely with the themes and characters that dominate much of Springsteen’s canon. A focus on the American working class has been a long through line in his music. “Born to Run”(1975), “Darkness on the Edge of Town” (1978) and much of “The River”(1980) are replete with blue-collar characters seeking satisfaction and personal dignity in the face of dehumanizing work. The narrator of “Out in the Street,” for example, works five days a week “loading crates down on the dock.” Like many other Springsteen characters, he suffers through drudgery, abuse and boredom, waiting for the chance to be himself after the whistle blows. Once the clock strikes 5, he hits the town where he can “walk the way I wanna walk” and “talk the way I wanna talk.”

On “Nebraska”(1982) and then the breakthrough “Born in the U.S.A.”(1984), Springsteen’s characters are not just looking for satisfaction. They are looking to survive in a corporate economy that seems to have no regard for their well-being, their livelihood or their community. Factories are closed. Men — and they are all men — are laid off with no explanation, straining their relationships and their sense of self-worth.

Starting in 1987, Springsteen’s music generally moved away from its focus on the working class (with the exception of his 1995 solo album “The Ghost of Tom Joad”).

Then came the 2007-2008 financial crisis. For Springsteen, already skeptical as to whether Wall Street had Main Street’s best interests at heart, the behavior of the banks and financial firms represented no less than a betrayal of the American people. In 2009, he added Stephen Foster’s 19th-century song “Hard Times (Come Again No More)” to his set-list, an acknowledgment of the pain and insecurity experienced by millions of Americans who lost their homes or their jobs.

He also put pen to notebook and responded with his own music. In 2012, he released “Wrecking Ball,” whose title was a metaphor for what he called “the flat destruction of some fundamental American values” that had occurred since the late 1970s.

For Springsteen, the financial crisis was not a one-off event. It was a manifestation of the greed that was both common in American history and also particularly acute in the late 20th century. Springsteen’s America had a different set of values, encapsulated in the title of the opening track of his 2012 album: “We Take Care of Our Own.” The nation had an obligation to take care of its people but was failing to do so. The message clearly resonated. The song served as an anthem for President Barack Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign and was played in 2020 after Joe Biden’s victory speech.

Springsteen’s politics, his attention to the working class and his anger over the behavior of Wall Street are what make ticket prices for his 2023 tour such a “crisis of faith” for his fans. Even if only a small percentage of tickets were subject to dynamic pricing — as Ticketmaster insisted — after a half-century, charging full market rates feels like a betrayal for the Springsteen faithful. Both the artist and his art have long recognized the dangers of unchecked markets that do not have people’s best interests at heart. Though never opposed to capitalism, Springsteen has been vocal in his opposition to the rich and powerful taking care of only their own, which is exactly what seemed to happen when his tickets went on sale.

Ultimately, the adoption of dynamic pricing probably will be a small blip on Springsteen’s legacy, one that will irk die-hard fans without shattering their unconditional love for someone with whom they have a decades-long bond. This could be his last tour, and even after he stops performing, his music will continue to ring out as a testament to the struggles of the working class and as a call for an economy that works for everyone.

On “Land of Hope and Dreams,” Springsteen invites his audience to ride with him on a train destined for a place where “dreams will not be thwarted” and “faith will be rewarded.” As conductor, he offers a clear invitation, one that reflects what his music stands for: “You don’t need no ticket / You just get on board.”

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How many of us agree or disagree with the next to last Paragraph in green?

The way I feel right now is the complete opposite.  I feel betrayed.  I feel like the Boss has let me down. It makes me think that a lot of what he wrote within his songs was false.  The heartfelt lyrics I loved and thought he was singing only to me and thousands like me.

Now I'm just one of the many broken hearts left standing as the ticket prices soar. Maybe this is the price we have to pay.  Maybe all along he just wanted to make a buck and now he wants to make a lot more.  Maybe now he wants to be King?

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I have to say I wasn't that upset when I got shut out of long Island for that very reason. Watching how dynamic pricing worked made me feel betrayed and uninterested even in tickets I mightve been able to afford. I am interested however in seeing what the pit looks like this time around.

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@Oats posted:

How many of us agree or disagree with the next to last Paragraph in green?

The way I feel right now is the complete opposite.  I feel betrayed.  I feel like the Boss has let me down. It makes me think that a lot of what he wrote within his songs was false.  The heartfelt lyrics I loved and thought he was singing only to me and thousands like me.

Now I'm just one of the many broken hearts left standing as the ticket prices soar. Maybe this is the price we have to pay.  Maybe all along he just wanted to make a buck and now he wants to make a lot more.  Maybe now he wants to be King?

I agree the author is pathetic and sad. Was that the question?

I have conflicted feelings.  
I ‘mixed agree’ with the ‘second paragraph’:

It will be a blip - the next great outrage is always around the corner - and his legacy will not be greatest as a social champion, but as an inspiring iconic generational American performer and his chronicles.  

Let’s rant!!

After almost 50 years, Bruce owes me nothing, and truthfully, no artist owes anyone anything short of putting ‘effort’ into every paid performance.   I saw Van Morrison 1 time 25 years ago when he fu**ed with the audience and have never forgiven him that absurd, dismal theft of my time and money.   But back on focus -  Dylan was famously chastised for ‘betraying’ his hard core folk audience and going electric.  Joni Mitchell fans boo’d her when she got ‘jazzy’.  Plenty of Lady GaGa’s Little Monsters HATE her American Songbook recordings with Tony Bennett.   Heck, I never thought I’d forgive Bruce for sharing a stage with Bon Jovi (but I did).  Bruce may have come from poor working man roots and sing about their struggles, but truth be told, as disappointing, as frustrating, as aggravating, as violating as the current ticket situation may feel, we do NOT, as fans or audience have a right to demand anything from a paid performer except for us to ‘get our money’s worth’.   That’s the chance we take with any ticket purchase.  Bruce was not born to lead a noble, heroic band of idealistic brothers, his was a capitalist dream - do what you love, work hard at it, make money, WAY more than dad, don’t be like dad, and end up filthy rich.  Bruce is not a god, and not a hero.  He is a celebrity star.  I have never been fooled into acknowledging anything else in my 50 year bromance with his music.  As most of us do, I have always hoped that my idols*  (*defnition - FALSE GODS 😁) share my moralities and my ideals, and I feel let down when they don’t act the way I WANT THEM TO act.    

But, hey….  We are good American here!  Born in dead mens’ towns, spending our lives covering  up!!  Rah rah capitalism. Boo socialism and communism and all those other isms that combine to form a compact word unless the word contains Jesus’.  We BUY our tickets with our hard earned money just like the way we PAY for our medical care!   That’s our freedom!  We never HAVE to buy a ticket.  No one can force us!   It’s a feel good thing, not a life essential.  This is America, no government should force upon us free or subsidized housing, food, medical care or education, and our clearest greatest, unquestionable  constitutional right is to individually amass absurd quantities of weapons of mass destruction and their ever more deadly munitions.   No government or private party can coerce us into believing that we have any ‘other rights’.  The guaranty of liberty means we have the absolute freedom to starve and die - unless we are an unviable fetus, but that’s another story…)    OK, I have digressed again ….😇


It sucks that being east coast and a ‘home town’ to Bruce now becomes a penalty.  It was always a bonus - more shows with easier access in a smaller geographic radius than anywhere else in the country.   Now, suddenly, a performance in Kansas or South Dakota or Georgia - ‘non primary’ markets, will have way lower ticket prices and lower demand.   We all try to rationalize our anger.  We will pay 5X more for a home in Northern Jersey than for one in Kentucky.  Eggs, milk and cheese will cost you 5X more in NYC than in a rural Ohio farm town. Geography, population, industry, transportation are variables behind the price you pay for everything.  In the gulf coast some people are now paying $3.99 a gallon for gas while in Northern California they still pay way over $6.00.  Does either location ‘deserve’ that?

I will be pissed, I am pissed, I will see just 1 show.  I paid $325 each, before service charges for back of hall lower lodges.  My choice.  I bought the right to moan and bitch and spend 7 months questioning my judgment.  BUT MY JUDGEMENT, way more than Landau’s marketing decision. The last tour was pre-pandemic and pre-inflation.  I expected tickets this time to easily be in the $100-$200 price range.   As someone who can’t physically stand for 1/2 an hour, let alone 3-4 hours in a pit, I hate that I have been excluded from getting a 3rd, 7th, 13th, 20th row floor seat - in front of and close to the stage.  But I don’t extensively whine about how unfair that is for long time aging fans, or the sudden change from men in black surprising back of arena top row fans with front row center seat upgrades.  I bemoan, but not pontificate.  It is what it is.  The late, great Obie even lost her ‘forever’ comped front row center tickets in the 90s - relegated to floor seats 3, 4, 8 rows back.  Oh the humanity!  

I miss not being able to run 1/4 mile.  I miss not being able to lift 50 lbs.  The girls in their summer clothes THEY PASS ME BY.  I will miss not sitting with fans in the swamps of Jersey, in Philly, in NYC and upstate and in other northeast venues.  Every audience is as different as every performance.  But I paid my price and after the show I will know, if to me, it was worth it.  Would I rather have spent the same amount of money on a ‘fabulous’ dinner and drink in NYC?   No.   Put politely, that would just get chewed up and ‘spit’ out.  A Springsteen concert will stay inside all of me, from brain to blood to heart to guts, for incalculably longer.  

To all-y’all who will NOT have to deal with the worst of dynamic price-fixing, thumbs up 👍 and enjoy the show.   To all the European fans who have had to fork over their money A YEAR IN ADVANCE, and will very likely be standing outside in 97° heat with NO cooling tent stations, for 3-5 hours each show, I say bring a hat, a towel, drink plenty of the  8€ per 1/4 liter bottles of water and please be kind to the person(s) unconscious beneath you and remember to wear deodorant or gentle perfumes.

To everyone else shut out by dynamic price-fixing, I will be waiting along side you for ticket drops as well as looking for ‘authorized’ scalpers  slashing tickets below their costs frantically trying to dump their holy $2000 front lower lodges for $110 as concert dates approach.  

And let’s all try not to attack any members who defend or debate any sides of the current fiasco.  Anger is everyone’s common thread. We know the powers that be who signed off on this cluster****.   No one from the fan community is responsible.  As Bruce said for years, “nobody wins unless everyone wins”.   Even if you managed to get a “face value” ticket, in this case, nobody has won.  Everybody has lost.  


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“But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,

And I must pause till it come back to me.”
Julius Caesar  Act 3, Scene 2

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I thought that was well written, well thought out and almost right on the money until that last paragraph where you joined the entire angry mob using words like "Fiasco" and "Clusterfuck" to describe one of the most successful on-sales in the history of concerts.  Tickets are a little pricey this tour. The "Fiasco" or "Clusterfuck" is in the mind of the beholder.

I think Fiasco and Clusterfuck is fair... Whether or not you agree with the extra commercialization, I think from a PR standpoint it was both of those things. There seems to be a fundamental conflict between fan verifications and dynamic pricing. Also the secrecy of costs was a little underhanded. It was very difficult if not impossible to figure out what they expected the shows to cost. I only saw the expected face value from SPL. So fans who were excited to be fan verified logged in only to see prices jacked up 3x what they were on the last tour and up. It felt like they were intentionally throwing all the desperate people in a room and letting them fight it out. Great business move to maximize money, but terrible optics.

I understand capitalism, and I do not begrudge the decisions made, it worked. Bruce doesn't owe me anything however this move runs counter to how he has presented his image the last sixty years. Im allowed to be disappointed, and Im allowed to have feelings that change the way I see him as an artist.

So yes I think fiasco and clusterfuck is valid, even if it worked.

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That's the whole thing. The PR is fine. It's the mega fan's inflated ego that makes people think there was any real negative PR. (Stan Goldstein talks to the Wa Post isn't exactly NBC nightly news). A few sensationalized headlines on click bait sites. The stadiums will go down the same way except there will be more awful so  cheaper seats. Good seats are gonna start at $400 and dynamic themselves right up with no worry about PR.

While surely you are allowed all the emotions you describe. None of that makes this a Fiasco or a Clusterfuck except to a few. As I said, the mind of the beholder. (I saw a guy on BTX claimed it's himself and TENS OF THOUSANDS of pissed off fans. I doubt there are tens of hundreds. I've seen like 30-40 really upset people. Over a million tickets sold)

I wish tickets were cheaper. I did not see one Broadway show because of the price. But it was what it was and this is what it is. Bruce Springsteen is still Bruce Springsteen. This time I'm going. It's expensive, I can't afford it. I am putting it on a credit card that will take 2 years to pay off. But, I don't understand the anger or vitriol one bit.  Not even a little

Bruce Springsteen doesn't need a dime. He doesn't need to work. His family is set for generations.

The THOUSANDS of people who will make some or all of their living off this tour the next few years are completely ignored (I understand your post does acknowledge these often ignored facts). From truck drivers to roadies, sound guys to ticket takers, ushers and TEAMSTERS, promoters, drug dealers, hookers. Security. Bruce Inc. (it aint just Bruce, Landau and Barbara Carr splitting up stacks of cash between the 3 of them. There are legacy costs).

But the loudest people online People with 10,000 followers or a clickbait column on NJ.com all want to shit on the name of the man that makes it all happen and makes us want to come out and spend our money so that those thousands of people can make their living.

I've grown weary of defending a man who never needed defending. He's fucking unimpeachable.

The high prices were for me the reason why I did not see Springsteen on Broadway. So I had to wait a couple of years to finally see the man I love for his music. Now again the prices made me decide not to buy tickets in the U.S., simply since I cannot afford them (including the trip to the U.S. from The Netherlands). I, as a fan accept this decision. I do not see that the blame is entirely to Bruce, Bruce Inc., or Ticketmaster, it's market.

Am I bumbed not to see Bruce in his home State; DEFINATELY. Do I accept it; FOR SURE. I, luckily, get to see him perform 6 times in Europe, and if I find the money and time, I may add a few more (in Europe).  I even think prices in Europe are extremely high, but so it seems for other bigger acts. I remember once, me skipping buying tickets for U2's Zooropa tour because they would cost me a 100, guilders at the time. Now I am paying 150,00 Eur. for just 1 ticket. I must be nuts too.

One thing made clear to me. Too many of Springsteen fans idolized Bruce, and projected themselves to the characters he described in the music. To me, he never claimed to be those characters. Will I be enjoying his music, and the performance of them any less? HELL NO.

I am sure, if you guys wait a little longer, cheaper tickets for the shows will emerge. And if not, than all these WAY TOO Expensive tickets appearantly have been bought by fools. I would never pay $4000,00 for a show, not even for Bruce.


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@Phisherman posted:

You sound like a Trump supporter. Screaming incoherent nonsense with an angry mob and demanding the world (or Bruce Springsteen) owes you something

Find a quote from me demanding that Bruce owes us anything.  Keep the strawman arguments coming but it doesn't change the fact that "our guy" who is already worth over a half a billion is milking the crap out of this tour.  Maybe he is paying the roadies and other band members twice as much and he is getting the same amount but his silence makes me think otherwise.

I am not owed tickets at a reasonable price but I sure wish we had an actual shot at tickets at a reasonable price.

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The ticket prices speak for themselves and it's Bruce and his Camp that set the prices. I just looked at Atlanta.  In the 2nd level on the left side facing the stage, 2nd section from the stage are two seats available from TM for 1100.00 each before fees and taxes.  In the same row are three seats reselling from a verifed fan for 1191.00 each.  Explain that???

It speaks for itself.  Phisherman can make every argument he wants.  Phish bought tickets for way more than he wanted to and will be paying them off for two years.  I wouldn't have bought tix if it took me two years to pay them off.  The Fish got what Landau wanted...hook, line and sinker.     

Fish, the way you're defending Landau and Bruce, you don't by chance work for TM, maybe E street radio, Bruce Inc.???  Cuz you sure as shinola have a brown nose.

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Really sick of people who think I must have some financial interest in the tour just because I'm right about everything and you're all wrong.



The fact that you think the cost of 4 seats in Atlanta 2 weeks after it's sold out makes some kind of point is why we are done talking now. It is pointless to continue.



This tour is for suckers like me only. If it's not for you stay home. Just shut up about it already. It's worth the extra money to have an arena free of all the  "real fans" who knows he does everything wrong, and that everything he does sucks.

@Phisherman posted:

...This tour is for suckers like me only. If it's not for you stay home. Just shut up about it already....

Phisherman, I honestly don't understand this.  You are admitting that only suckers (your words) or the ultra rich can go to these shows.  I think we all agree on that.  I think some of us just think that any tour should not be setup where that is the case.

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@DenverBrian posted:

Phisherman, I honestly don't understand this.  You are admitting that only suckers (your words) or the ultra rich can go to these shows.  I think we all agree on that.  I think some of us just think that any tour should not be setup where that is the case.

I admit nothing of the sort. I was conceding to his madness for effect. We all agree on nothing.

"Should" is something for you to wish but not for you to say. Bruce Springsteen says what Bruce Springsteen should do. Nobody else.

@Phisherman posted:

I admit nothing of the sort. I was conceding to his madness for effect. We all agree on nothing.

"Should" is something for you to wish but not for you to say. Bruce Springsteen says what Bruce Springsteen should do. Nobody else.

DB, You know when someone is tanking your chain

This big Phish is pulling on the hook but he won't bite down on it. 

I saw him in his window, looked something like this

But... sometimes I've seen him throw one or two of these

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@Oats posted:

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Not saying Bruce Inc and TM are wrong............... but we are for sure to blame. Don't buy the ridiculous high price, and the price will come down eventually. Bruce Inc. set the price (Landau's words) to what's commonly used for similar acts. The TM Dynamic Pricing screw things up big time, but worked as intended. Not the high prices are intended, but simply caused by the high demand, which we caused. Since we pay the price, the price will remain high.

Could Bruce Inc have done something about  it? I am not sure. Maybe set a maximum price or something.

Look at tickets for Adele, they did even worse (40k for a ticket at some point).

Sure a verified fan will resell his overly priced ticket in the same price range as they are now being sold for (maybe even bought the ticket in that price range).

Do I like the situation, no definitely not. Can I help it, no, but I can refuse to buy the ticket. My choice, and mine alone.

This is my last remark on any of the price-related topics.


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Adele was not "$40k for a ticket at one point" It was $40k for a very specific ticket. The front row center on opening night. This is the same bullshit being tossed around about Springsteen. You can get into Adele for a few hundred bucks and it's a tiny theater. But if you want to be the only person on earth who can have the very best seat on opening night. That's $40k. (And I don't think anyone has bought it) But the headlines say "It costs $40,000 to see Adele in Las Vegas"



That is the same bullshit we are seeing by click bait press and "Fan" forum posts  and Twitter posts. Complete utter bullshit. Sensationalized garbage. Concert tickets are expensive this year and top acts are  few hundred bucks. $2,000-$40,000 is a lie. There are 20,000 arena seats and only 100 of them (less than 1%) are priced in the thousands.

@Phisherman posted:

Adele was not "$40k for a ticket at one point" It was $40k for a very specific ticket. The front row center on opening night. This is the same bullshit being tossed around about Springsteen. You can get into Adele for a few hundred bucks and it's a tiny theater. But if you want to be the only person on earth who can have the very best seat on opening night. That's $40k. (And I don't think anyone has bought it) But the headlines say "It costs $40,000 to see Adele in Las Vegas"



That is the same bullshit we are seeing by click bait press and "Fan" forum posts  and Twitter posts. Complete utter bullshit. Sensationalized garbage. Concert tickets are expensive this year and top acts are  few hundred bucks. $2,000-$40,000 is a lie. There are 20,000 arena seats and only 100 of them (less than 1%) are priced in the thousands.

OK, not my last reply on the topic

Fully agree with your remark here. I did not mean to say all tickets for Adele were 40K, but it does make the headlines. Same goes for Springsteen, not all tickets go for 4.000 Dollar, just a specific number. You still can get way cheaper seats, but the headlines tell you all tickets are extremely high.


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Phish your math is wrong, completely and utterly nonsensical.

What # were you in the queue when you bought your tickets?

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@Oats posted:

Phish your math is wrong, completely and utterly nonsensical.

What # were you in the queue when you bought your tickets?

What difference does it make what my one experience was? I was like 2000th in the Que for Detroit and I crashed when it came time to pick seats so I still need a  ticket for Detroit. I have not even really tried to buy my Cleveland ticket yet. I bought my Portland ticket like 2 days after they went onsale. How on earth could any of those things matter to this discussion?



How is my math wrong exactly? 100 is not less than 1% of 20,000? That is the only mathematical equation I presented. I believe it is actually .5%  or 1/2%. I will show my math if you need me too.

With the limit on tickets, If someone is 800 in the queue that means and everyone before # 400 took 4 tickets. Only 3200 tickets would have been sold.

There should have been tickets available throughout the entire arena at cost.  It didn't happen.  There were lot and lots of Verified Resale tix available.  The fix was in. 

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@Oats posted:

With the limit on tickets, If someone is 800 in the queue that means and everyone before # 400 took 4 tickets. Only 3200 tickets would have been sold.

There should have been tickets available throughout the entire arena at cost.  It didn't happen.  There were lot and lots of Verified Resale tix available.  The fix was in.

Should this. Should that. You think you are so important that you get to say what should be and what should not be.. Only Bruce Springsteen gets to say what is and what you think should be doesn't mater at all. I disagree on what "should" be.



Your math is ridiculous. You are just making up numbers. Everyone I know was 2000 in the que. Then they were 300 and then they were next in just a few minutes. You think that number actually meant something that you can work it into an equation?



Tickets sold the way they always sell. Nearly instantly. and like always less than half the actual seats were even in the system to begin with. That has always been the case for every show since computers began selling them. I have friends who are Red Wings season ticket holders and they didn't have to go online onsale day to get their great seats at face. They replied to an email from the Red Wings ticket office and secured them. You think they are unique? You think 20,000 tickets are made available at 10am on-sale day? Try 7000 tops. But 90,000 people tried to buy Philly at the same time. Do they owe you these numbers? NO.  Is it any of our business? NO. They offer the ticket for a price, you buy or you don't. So simple. So American.

So many  people have it in mind that someone is pulling something on them. You just are completely ignorant of how tickets for large venues are sold. You have this idea of how they "Should" be sold (which is ridiculous 99/100 times when it's your name on the ticket you can say how they get sold).

First day sale is for suckers so they can sell the most unsellable seats for full price (or more) And every sucker is mad this time just like every time. If you want decent seats you aren't going to get them when THOUSANDS of others are trying at the exact same time. Not unless you have lotto luck. These are VERY simple facts. It's the same noise every tour. This tour the noise is a little louder.  (actually it's always this loud. Google this  "Springsteen tickets 2012"  "Springsteen Tickets 2003" Pick any tour year. You will find the same noise with a slightly different focus of the anger.

The enemy of course is always basic math but as we all know, most people suck at math.

When I was in High School my friend was the son of a retired Red Wing player and he got us Front Row center for any show at Joe Louis Arena we wanted for face value. Unless  Gordy Howe's kid wanted them they were ours. I assure you he did not get them from Ticketmaster on first day sale. Nor did he secure them in advance. They were never made available to the public. Like most of the best seats they waited until someone important enough asked for them.

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The only one that, thinks they're important is the pompous arse that throws around Gordie Howe's name and likes to hear himself speak.

Blah, Blah, Blah

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Bond with fans? He's done everything he can to alienate, in part due to his borderline personality disorder (he's not really manic-depressive). For example, Clearmountain said that Bruce would dirty up his mixes, something that seemingly goes against pop's MO. He refused to play his biggest hits in 2000, alienating fans who wanted to hear Hungry Heart, Glory Days, &
Dancing in the Dark, to name but a few. He told fans to shut the fuck up in Jersey in 2005 and apologized with further mockery and condescension. He's alienated essentially every Republican fan; he alienated tons with the Seeger Sessions; with disbanding the E Street Band; and of course, with his outright refusal to speak up against Trump from 2017 to 2020 (Rainmaker doesn't count).

He seems to have always done what he wants to do without regard for his fans. I'm surprised people are so surprised. He never intended to fool anyone with a blue-collar image. His magic trick was being an actor, projecting his feelings & thoughts about his father through his music. There's no lack of integrity nor questionable values. He's a business man who signed a contract and has been dealing products for 50 years.

If you don't like the price, then also keep in mind that Bruce isn't exactly the same product he was 15 years ago. 2007 is long gone, and 2023's shows could very well be a joke. I can't imagine spending $1,000 to see Bruce as he's approaching age 74. He played like molasses in 2016, ruining the Milwaukee show for me. So, no, I'm never paying to see him again, and that's my right as a customer - just as it's his right to charge whatever he wants.

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Aron,

PLease. let's try and keep our conversations civil, at least at the very beginning.

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Pulled up to my house today
Came and took my little girl away!
Giants Stadium 8/28/03



Oats

@mystronyx posted:

That’s too bad. I actually liked you on BTX, Phisherman. Now, if we ever see each other at a show, it will be your last. Be rude to me, and you stop breathing.

Please read my post above.  The same goes for you... if you want to stay here.

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The SPL Rocks!

Prego che tu stia danzando con San Pietro alle porte perlacee del cielo





Pulled up to my house today
Came and took my little girl away!
Giants Stadium 8/28/03



Oats

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