Because the night belongs to...Hannover!

Great one!!!

Are you sure dvd_dubbing_guy? I only asked because as you are selling this you might be biased? Maybe your claim with each new video that this product is the best ever is getting tiresome? Maybe slagging off Crystal Cat and Godfather endlessly is just trying to make your own product sound superior? It's particularly silly as they are in a different market to you as they produce real factory discs with professionally printed art work for real disc collectors. These form the backbone to any quality Bruce real disc collection. 

This clip is very good for an audience video of the modern era.  And the multiple angles make it more watchable, though the shaky camera work and blurriness here and there will annoy some.

But let's face it, it is an amateur film of a bog standard modern version of a great song that has been played to death. The best bit is Nils' guitar solo but he's being doing that and his spinning trick for years, yawn..... So really any pre 1994 (insert year you think Bruce's performance decline really started) Because the Night video will have a much better performance. And any professional video from any era is going to be a better watch for many people, including myself.

nah...I am not selling audio...I am not biased but sorry, I have two working ears! I wish for once CC would produce quality and I wouldn't need to spend endless hours with audio mixing...I have enough to to on the video front...kisses to my new friend ;-)

I didn't say you sold audio. You sell DVD's yes? Or have I been misled? So you both produce bootleg product. 

Crystal Cat has produced great titles for years. It is the bootleg label that others have their sound judged against, and we are lucky they concentrated on Bruce. How many times have people asked "is it as good sound as a Crystal Cat?" By slagging them off you are creating an impression that you have vastly superior sound quality on your product. You are using their 20+ year reputation to your advantage. If people read something enough they start to believe it. Crystal Cat has produced more important recordings and products than you will ever manage.

If you think it is so bad don't use their audio. Pretty sure you haven't got their blessing to use it anyway and I thought that mattered to you internet guys. Why not audio tape the show yourself and produce an alternative.

And, if I may add a friendly suggestion, maybe it's time to get your ears checked professionally for the mystery affliction which is sweeping the on line bootleg community - bleeding ears. Funnily enough until every Tom, Dick and Johnny Come Lately got home software to produce graphs to judge the audio quality of recordings no one had this chronic disease........... I'm old school, I actually listen to it.........

like on any other forum talk about any company or whatsover selling bootlegs is not wanted, so either remove your post or I report it to a mod

about CC: yeah, they are the only ones who put out some of the shows in the past, doesn't mean their recordings are good, their mastering always has been bad, if you would know some of the source recordings they used well...a quick comparison shows how they manage to took out the good in many many recordings, still, since their recordings are often the only ones there is hardly any competion so, of course, theirs is the best

I don't care what you say or everybody else tells me who just listens to radio, CDs and bootlegs and does not know what a good recording sounds like

feedback for my Wembley audio? 100 percent positive that it is much better than CCs

also who said I have the intention to rival CC and put out more "producs" than them? man, you are insane

who are you? asking if I got their permisson? are you kidding? does CC ask Bakerstuff or any of the other tapers who recorded shows in the US for their persmission to sell their recordings in large quantities? GF took dozens of recordings from Jungleland and sold them

I sometimes use their recordings for dvds I upload to Jungleland

let's end this "discussion" now, I guess your post will be deleted anyway, bye bye

You put blatant adverts on here and then try and get my posts banned? I've been a fan and a collector since I was 12 in 1984 and I have every right to praise or criticize a bootleg company. The other producers are not stupid enough to be on here. Or if they are they are just on as fans and are not identifiable and are not promoting product. You openly promote your product. Ban yourself! 

where's all the aggression coming from?

download any of my dvds, be happy ;-)

Aggression? Me? Ha ha. One post ago it was you threatening to report me!

You annoy me and other fans I know by your constant overstated claims of excellence. But to me the real problem is your constant attacks on other labels that fans have enjoyed for years. I'm not a moderator clearly, but I don't understand how this is the forum for what you do. Surely you shouldn't be commenting on your own releases.

kisses! again and again ;-)

That would just make me fucking pissed off.

Thanks Mods for letting this discussion continue, as you should. This is what the SPL is about - honest differences of opinion about Bruce Springsteen. As much as I appreciate some of DVD Dubbing Guy’s DVDs, there is no way that any 2013 performance of a song that goes back to 1978 is as good as whatever earlier performance you want to pick. I’ll take the officially released version from Houston on the Darkness box over this any day. Obviously, it’s Bruce’s choice to let Nils go on too long in the solo from the signals he sends to Nils and the band, but for me, the solo goes on too damn long and the spinning is just a stunt and contributes nothing musically. I find a lack of spontaneity and too much contrivance in the recent versions of “Because the Night.”

yes, that is what the place is for: discussion and opinion

what some people say here has nothing to do with that

also in my opinion...Houston 78...I don't even have it in my memory because I couldn't stand watch it. The sound made my ears bleed. The sound is a pure insult. Worst ever that has been released. I will never play Houston again. That's for sure...

When are you going to release Milan and Leipzig???

Well, I enjoyed that ALOT. Gave me chills at times. When I first heard it LIVE only earlier this year it was so great, so powerful.

Keep up the great work Olli, you obviously take pleasure in it (which comes across in your posts) and you provide much pleasure to other fans too!

It's a message board, you're supposed to read posts, so I will read anything and respond as I wish. You are the one acting outside the spirit of the board making it commercial. If you put yourself forward as an authority on audio quality and performance, be prepared for counter views. You called me insane yesterday. That tends to get people annoyed so take the response. Anyone who puts a standard 2013 performance over a standard 1978 performance just because the early show wasn't recorded to professional release standards is missing the point of great Bruce music. It's all about passion in the performance. Give me hissy 10th generation traded cassettes and VHS from the 70s and 80s over any of these modern performances in Blu Ray anyday. And there is no way your product is as good as the officially released DVD product anyway. You are deluding yourself...... 

who says I am making it commercial? only you...my dvds are on Jl for free

bye bye and many kisses, you seem to need many of them, long time Bruce fan but music didn't teach you a single thing?

All bootlegs end up available free for download. Difference is you upload yourself, others just know that a customer will upload their new releases within a day or two of release. Makes no real difference, but I happily acknowledge thanks to you or anyone who uploads.

So you don't also sell the same product you upload? And you haven't in the recent past? I must have been misinformed and misread some of your past you tube comments. I'll happily stand corrected and apologize on this point if you can enlighten me.

I'd take the London 13 DVD over Houston DVD any day.

I also thought he's also selling that stuff, I guess it's not true then?

Actually, apart from the one batch a little while back no DVD Dubbing Guy release has actually made it to downloads unless it's been released by himself.

Now I don't know what he say or offers to his customers to prevent them from surfacing but honestly, the DVD posts you do to JL is just an insult in my mind.  Only reason you even make them is so you can look like a good guy while you sell your BD's.

But I do agree that the latest few clips you have shown are pretty good, actually much better than most of your older stuff, In my mind, mostly because you have more wide shots than you used to have.

Listen buddy, nothing in my post was even close to warranting that sort of snotty response.  I responded to the guy above who said all bootlegs eventually leak, I gave my toughts on your inferior downscaled versions that you do make available for free (feel free to comment on that if you like, but there is no need to be a smart ass about it) and then I gave you a damned compliment.

Well if you are selling stuff produced at home by a bootlegger it implies the buyers don't know how or don't want to get involved in up/downloading. Otherwise they could reproduce most product for pence..... Many, like myself buy some factory produced CDs and DVDs for the overall product - discs that won't rot and professionally printed artwork. But we also download other shows so have the knowledge to share for free. A bit like the good old days when a friend sent me Sheffield Night on TDK90s!

well Shabbydog, "an insult in my mind"...everybody else except you and a handful think different, and calling what I give for free an insult, not nice man, not nice

That is of course one way to look at it.

I look at it more like the guys in the old days who added generations to tapes before they started trading them so their low gen tapes could still be used as bait.

But hey, it's a big improvement over not letting anything out for free.

People who download your product are clearly interested in watching audience video. So they are very likely to give positive feedback. Very rare someone criticizes stuff they get for free. Most long term fans I know couldn't care less about any audience video so just ignore it. Your stuff may be good for what it is, and well appreciated by that small section of fans who collect it. But it's just not important to most fans, so you should adjust your self promotion to top bootlegger to match. 

again, 1000 kisses to you my friend, all my love, etc, but you gotta find yourself something new to do now because I am off this topic now, got myself a life and some shows to work on which will make me and many people very happy, oh, long timers included! my latest dvd got more downloads than one of the best sounding audio recordings from the River tour that has been recently uploaded, but I figure those folks who downloaded my dvd are all stupid ;-)

Umm, if they downloaded your DVD and not the River audio from JEMS.. yes they are fucking stupid.

So dvd_dubbing_guy you haven't answered the key question. You sell product and therefore shouldn't be on here talking it up for your own profit. Keep all your fucking kisses for your future fucking cell mates.......

Never a UN Peacemaker around when you need one.....

This is how I understand it.

Dvddubbingguy collects HD Material videofilmed from concerts, creates a multiangle video in High Quality with good sound.

Downsizes the finished product to DVD and upload it to Jungleland.

Sells the finished Bluray product to everyone else, and probably some of those that downloaded the DVD from Jungleland.

Just a question for you, DVDDubbingguy:

Do you really give away your products for free? Wouldn't that be the payment for the fact that your multi-angle videos wouldn't be made if you didn't receive any videos from the concerts from the people actually attending the concerts?

SaxMan: I would have to agree with you. I prefer 78 vs 2013 quality recordings.

I won't go so far to say pro this or pro that, but the quality you deliver is very high, DVDDubbingguy. I only wish it existed on Bluray so I could get it without actually paying for it.

DDG may never make a diplomat and probably went to the Miley Cyrus school of self promotion but he does produce damn fine video recordings. Contrary to what Sax Man says there are a significant number of Bruce fans into video (check out the number of downloads on JL). Sure, he sells the blurays but he does this offsite unlike some other SPLers who blatantly offer their bootlegs and books for sale on the SPL. Does selling the blurays make him a bad person?  - I don't think so. Is selling bootlegs morally wrong? - debatable.

He is a perfectionist and does actually spend hundreds of hours trying to make what he considers to be the ultimate video. Does he get over excited and make what many perceive to be exaggerated claims ? - yes, he probably does.  Does he deserve the personal abuse that Sax Man has resorted to in his last post - I don't think so. 

This thread has degenerated into personal attacks and thus has become rather tedious. I think it is time that the mods considered locking it down. 

BTW I've been to many shows in the last 10 years that knock spots off the Hammersmith show I went to in 1975  - each to their own.

Spot on Mando. Well said.

Although I am ok for the thread to stay open.

Also, I could be wrong but I believe I have seen DDG's bluerays on JL.

Never got one myself though as they're so BIG. DVD's are perfectly fine for me.

I agree with most of Mando's points. 

As far as I've noticed other SPLers are just selling their own personal collections of CDs that they no longer want rather than producing product for sale.  That doesn't make them commercial bootleggers (of course it could just be cover - I have never contacted any of them). DDG produces stuff for sale. Totally different - and the reason he has dodged the selling question. 

I think he is an idiot for being so blatant - although my knowledge of copyright laws in Germany is fairly low!

He has thrown many insults at me and others for the grave crime of disagreeing on the life or death issue of sound quality of amateur recordings! If you throw insults be prepared to take them back.

But my really gripe is that he slags off labels that have provided pleasure to so many fans for so many years. That is why I don't respect him. They still provide product in very small runs, that are of high quality. I find him very very arrogant and offensive and I wouldn't care if he was caught. Given I enjoy buying boots I never thought I'd say that about anyone. 

well, where there is Mando on topic I get back for it once...

no, I will never make a diplomat!

FUCK YOU SAX MAN !!! you are a piece of shit

a fucking hypocrite! the man talking who buys silver releases wants anyone he does not like but may sell or produce recordings, too, rot in jail

and of course, this thread will be kept open because SPL totally lacks moderation

people can say "fuck you" like I just did and "ern" did a dozen times and personally insult people rather than someone actually pointing out facts:

loudness war, compression. It's always a bad thing no matter how you put it. And that's what CC does: pushing the levels. Most past recordings sound simply harsh because of that. Dynamics, body and natural sound gone. The IEMs are a different story...Listen to the for free available London 2002 master and Orlando/Tampa 2008 masters etc. by good US tapers and compare it with the CC release (oh, they did not even produce their own recordings but downloaded shows that were available and sold them) and yes, if you don't hear it I can't help you and since I will never make a diplomat but quite the opposite I am the kind of person who no matter who throws something back at me states what he thinks. CCs mastering sucks. And this I told Mr. CC face to face. That is the kind of person I am. I got guts. You not. You are sitting there behind your PC in the virtual data highway. Come meet me in person and continue the discussion.

But of course, the discussion will lead to now point. Besides the fact that you are propably a person who can only swing at somebody with the keys on your keypad there is no help for your ears and you obviously don't think anybody but yourself can be right. So what's the point of discussing? Time for pesonal insults and death wishes.

If you don't hear it how bad CC masters their recordings and someone with a little bit of hearing tells you (you know how many tapers would never sell to CC just because they don't want their tape ruined and you know how many fans know about the bad mastering of the Cat?) you get aggressive. If you don't hear it and feel personally insulted by someone who claims the obvious and notices these things and points out what big big disappointments the CC releases are given the possibilities of the source recordings (their releases could be MUCH better!)

yeah, rot everybody in hell or jail that YOU don't like Sax Man but the ones you buy shitty produced silver discs from may live a long and healthy and wealthy life, you fucking hipoctite

Again, nobody forces you to read any of my shit. Once I know who I don't take seriously I skip their posts. You really got nothing better to do?

DDG's argument is that CC's releases would be better with different mastering, so how can he justify his free releases that would be better if not downscaled from their original BD quality? Hypocritical. 

I don't have any problem with what DDG or others produce, no one is forcing people to part with their cash. But I question again why DDG is allowed to use this board for product promotion for his own gain.

And I point out again that the personal insults started from him.

most people don't have blu-ray, me promoting what again? the free dvd that is going to be uploaded to JL very soon?

you seem to be a very very twisted mind...for one second I thought we were done with this topic when I saw your last post (which was, of course, total nonsense, too) but then you immediately erased it and it took you two hours to post this horsecrap now?

finally I am off, I hope others won't discuss with you anymore either, I guess everybody has more important things to do

good advice from me to you: don't read my posts, I don't read posts from people who I don't take serious and who seem to be from other planets (wink wink), too. bye bye my new best friend who I wish to meet one day in person...not because I will slap you (I've never been into a fight in my whole life and it will stay that way!), no worries