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Dear Bruce Springsteen,

I've been following you since late 1973,  My first show was in January 1974.

Since 1974, I've been to many, many shows and concerts... too many to count but over 300. I've seen you up and down the East Coast from Boston to Florida, across the Mid-West and on to California. I've seen you in Europe.

Now we're coming out of a Pandemic, maybe?  Inflation is through the roof, people have been sick or died.  The dollar doesn't go as far as it used to.

I cannot understand why after all these years you've raised the price of tickets to the scale that you have?  My wife and I along with three other couples have followed you and the band around for years.  I cannot justify paying these prices when I have a daughter and two grandchildren that I help out.

The sister of one in our group lives in Florida which had their ticket sale already.  She paid 1500.00 for 2 GA's.

Bruce all of us are hoping you will step in and do something about these outrageous prices.  You don't want this to be part of your great legacy.

Please, please lower your prices Bruce.

Thank you for all the great shows.  I know this tour will be great also.  I just won't be able to see as many, if any.

Oats

UPDATE:, Feb. 08, 2023

Now that the tour has started and we have seen first hand how 'Dynamic Pricing' operates. We also have had the pleasure of Mr. Springsteen's own remarks on how he feels about 'Dynamic Pricing'

"Why shouldn’t that money go to the guys that are going to be up there sweating three hours a night for it?"

This time I told them, ‘Hey, we’re 73 years old. The guys are there. I want to do what everybody else is doing, my peers.’ So that’s what happened. That’s what they did.

But ticket buying has gotten very confusing, not just for the fans, but for the artists also. And the bottom line is that most of our tickets are totally affordable. They’re in that affordable range. We have those tickets that are going to go for that [higher] price somewhere anyway. The ticket broker or someone is going to be taking that money. I’m going, ‘Hey, why shouldn’t that money go to the guys that are going to be up there sweating three hours a night for it?’

It created an opportunity for that to occur. And so at that point, we went for it. I know it was unpopular with some fans.

"But if there’s any complaints on the way out, you can have your money back.”

What a snide remark to end with.  When Bruce started out he wrote about the union workers, plants closing. He thought about his Dad and his family and how hard they had to work for what they earned. He wrote about the common man. Now he hob nobs with Equestrians, Presidents, entertainers that make millions. He just sold his musical catalog for 500 Million. Does Bruce need the extra money from this tour. I think he has gotten greedy... make that ultra, dynamic Greedy. He's forgotten where he came from.

Now we all know Bruce traveled in these elitist circles but we liked to believe that he was one of us.  One of us that made it!

Sadly... he is one of us that has forgotten us.  One of our members posted an article by Jay Weinberg.  It was all about hard work and determination. That could have been written by Bruce 40 years ago.

As a close friend of mine reminded me, Bruce hasn't been one of us in a long, long time.  When Bruce stated this on Broadway... he wasn't kidding.  I never worked a day in my life... it was all a sham,  I was lying.

I feel very, very sad. Bruce has broken my heart.  My entire adult life has been intertwined with Bruce's in so many ways.  I listened to him in 1973.  My college roommate played him incessantly. I saw him in January, 1974 at the Joint in the Woods in Parsippany, NJ. I met a group of fans trading cassettes and CD's that are still some of my best friends to this day.  Bruce brought folks from all over the economic spectrum together, Doctor, Lawyer, Small Businessman, Cop, Teacher, Nurse, Retail Manager and hundreds of others.

We all tailgated together and made friends due to our shared interest in the man's music.  I've met Bruce three or four times and he was always pleasant and polite to me. My daughter loved him.  His music brought us together when everything else a teenager becomes was trying to tear us apart.

I met my beautiful wife through a Post by a Bruce friend on Backstreets. After our first meeting I knew she was the one.  She loved his music too.

I'm a smart man and I know the realities of Bruce becoming rich and leaving us behind.  But I always thought the guy that I never saw turn down an autograph seeker was better.  He was one of my heroes.  So what if we're almost the same age.  I can have a contemporary to look up to.

I just never pictured my hero being a greedy man... never!  When does one man have enough money?  In Bruce's case I guess we'll never know. It's hard to process when you lose a hero but he's still right there in front of you.

Bruce once said he doesn't like John Wayne's politics but still watches his movies.  I guess that's me now. I still love his music just not the man.

This topic is now closed.  We'll concentrate on the tour and revisit this if  warranted.

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Oats

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Only been going to shows since 1999 and, outside of The Rising tour, usually only see him when he comes to my town (once our twice a tour).  So this means I will most likely not see him at all on this tour (which I think sucks more than only seeing him 2 times instead of 10). 

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Look, this removes the resale market…the reality is that the tickets still sold…so, is Bruce and Ticketmaster wrong?  
I refused to buy at this outrageous price…it would be my second missed tour since 1978 (I would not go to broadway for $750 either).   Luckily I have been to scores of shows…

I am just disappointed that this is where we all end up

@rlhblh posted:

Look, this removes the resale market…the reality is that the tickets still sold…so, is Bruce and Ticketmaster wrong?  
I refused to buy at this outrageous price…it would be my second missed tour since 1978 (I would not go to broadway for $750 either).   Luckily I have been to scores of shows…

I am just disappointed that this is where we all end up

why are you assuming 7 months out that you are missing the tour because you didn't buy on suckers day? You do understand nobody needs a ticket yet? Nobody needs one for 7 months.

@rlhblh posted:

Look, this removes the resale market…the reality is that the tickets still sold…so, is Bruce and Ticketmaster wrong?  
I refused to buy at this outrageous price…it would be my second missed tour since 1978 (I would not go to broadway for $750 either).   Luckily I have been to scores of shows…

I am just disappointed that this is where we all end up

I don't see how you can say it removes the resale market.  All those ticket resalers still got tickets and if they don't than someone else has.  All this has done is put a huge price increase on an item in demand.

I'll give you an example, let's say Amazon has most of these tickets for sale so they put up 10 of them for 500.00 each.  Now the resalers know that price if you were a resaler would you sell it for $300.00 of course not.  This artificially raised prices from the get go.   I'd love to know the actual number of Virtual Fan offers that went out.  This entire set up reeks of fraud.

At least in the past it was all transparent and everyone had the same chance.

Let's see what happens when Philly goes on sale?

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Oats

@Oats posted:

I don't see how you can say it removes the resale market.  All those ticket resalers still got tickets and if they don't than someone else has.  All this has done is put a huge price increase on an item in demand.

I'll give you an example, let's say Amazon has most of these tickets for sale so they put up 10 of them for 500.00 each.  Now the resalers know that price if you were a resaler would you sell it for $300.00 of course not.  This artificially raised prices from the get go.   I'd love to know the actual number of Virtual Fan offers that went out.  This entire set up reeks of fraud.

At least in the past it was all transparent and everyone had the same chance.

Let's see what happens when Philly goes on sale?

Maybe stop worrying about seeing what happens when shows go on-sale. That is the worst day to buy tickets. It was before dynamic pricing and it still is.

When 100,000 people all try to buy the 1000 pit tickets at the same time nobody is going to come out happy no matter what the system. Lets talk about seeing what happens on show day. The day we actually need a ticket. The best day to buy a ticket. Can't we wait and see what happens then? Why is everyone so mad they can't lock up their tickets 7 months in advance? On the hardest day to get a ticket? Nobody needs a ticket today NOBODY.

Bobby Olivier in NJ.com  Here             

Copied and pasted for those who might have trouble:                                                             Bruce  Springsteen does not care about you | Opinion
Published: Jul. 21, 2022             

By Bobby Olivier | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
Many jilted Bruce Springsteen fans were still fuming Thursday morning, and for good cause. As some of The Boss’s 2023 U.S. concert dates went on sale Wednesday, prospective buyers were met with massive sticker shock — floor seats skyrocketing to more than $4,000 each retail, due to Ticketmaster’s “Official Platinum” dynamic pricing model, which allows costs to fluctuate based on supply and demand.

After my story reporting the unruly price hikes published Wednesday, I received dozens of emails from irate fans, most of whom repeated the same sentiment: Springsteen, the artist who has defined his career by singing about working-class and disenfranchised Americans, has forgotten his fans. They mirrored the notes I was sent in 2017, when “Springsteen on Broadway” tickets climbed to $850 each for orchestra seats.     

And in both cases, who could blame such resentment? It is exceedingly clear that Bruce Springsteen does not care how much a given fan spends to see him play. If he did care, the rock icon who recently sold the rights to his publishing catalog for a cool $500 million — and whose concert tours typically rake in around $200 million at the box office — would refuse to work with Ticketmaster, finance the shows himself, buy permits to use unoccupied fields across America and set a ticket price he alone could control. He’d call it Brucestock or something and pocket considerably less from the fans who’ve supported him for half a century.

But, of course, he won’t do this, because no one does. As with all A-list acts, fans expect Springsteen to play their local arena or stadium, those venues usually have binding contracts with promotional juggernaut Live Nation to operate the performances, and Live Nation merged with Ticketmaster in 2009, creating a smothering entertainment conglomerate that essentially forces artists — who in many cases must also adhere to the desires of their record labels, which in turn have deep-seated relationships with Live Nation and Ticketmaster — to use Ticketmaster to fill their shows, turning a blind eye as fans are price-gouged over and over.   

The great irony is that just before the ‘09 merger, Springsteen and his longtime manager Jon Landau condemned the move in an open letter, saying it would be “returning us to a near monopoly situation in music ticketing” as they also railed against Ticketmaster directing their fans to a secondary site to purchase seats for inflated prices.

Yet 13 years later, here we are again.

So perhaps it’s not that Springsteen doesn’t care about his fans, but if he did care, what would it matter? There are too many variables, too many hands in the cookie jar. Repeated requests sent to spokespeople for Springsteen, Live Nation and Ticketmaster for comment were not answered Wednesday or Thursday, but as someone who has covered the live music industry for a decade, this is my educated guess as to what happened Wednesday: Springsteen was surely aware that demand to see his first concert tour in seven years would be exceedingly high. It was also likely he knew his ticket prices on Ticketmaster could fluctuate based on demand — an increasing trend over the last few years, especially since shows returned after the pandemic shutdown (and the industry lost $9.7 billion in ticket sales in 2020 alone).

But I’m not so sure he fully understood retail prices for floor seats — which were only $164 after fees on his last tour in 2016 (using MetLife Stadium prices) — could balloon to more than $4,300 each at face value. Typically, those outlandish prices are saved for “ticket brokers” (see: scalpers) reselling tickets on secondary market sites like Stubhub and SeatGeek at unholy markups.

By no means should Springsteen be let off the hook, however. You’d be a fool to assume Landau and Bruce’s agent didn’t understand what could and would happen. At the very least, he should release a statement explaining his involvement and apologize to his droves of lifelong fans who feel as though they’ve been priced out for good and will never be able to see him perform again. Any and all backlash is deserved; it’s his name on the stub.

Springsteen’s upcoming area shows, in Newark (April 14), New York (April 1), Brooklyn (April 3) and Philadelphia (March 16) don’t go on sale until next Friday, July 29 (Philly goes on sale July 26), and another wave of price hikes and subsequent frustration should be expected. Can anything actually be done before then to rectify this problem, where tippy-top arena nosebleeds jump to more than $200 a pop, as they already have in other Tampa, Tulsa and Denver?

The short answer is no. The fact is, no matter what the price is, someone will eventually pay it. Perhaps not $4,300, but as Ticketmaster’s dynamic pricing presumably would allow that price to slowly fall, someone will grab it around, say, $1,000. Other ravenous fans will cave at the last moment and reason that if they don’t go now, Springsteen — 73 years old by the time this tour happens — may never stop by again.

From an economist’s standpoint, one could argue that due to the scarcity of a live concert experience and its finite amount of tickets, allowing for dynamic pricing actually values those seats at what they’re really worth. Free market, capitalism, blah, blah — it’s all cold comfort for any middle-class fan who’s listened to Springsteen for 50 years, supported his early tours and now feels left behind. The only true solution would be a federal mandate to create regulations to cap dynamic ticket pricing and give a grain of power back to the buyers. Or artists could band together and refuse to work with Ticketmaster unless these practices were better moderated or eliminated altogether. Yet the odds of either of these doesn’t seem very high. Pearl Jam tried to pull off the latter in the ‘90s. Jump to now and tickets to their upcoming concert in Camden can be purchased on Ticketmaster today. The cheapest available ticket, at “face value”? It’s over $1,000.

And so the grumbling will rightly continue as Springsteen concerts become elitist events — further exemplars of income inequality only affordable to affluent fans or those prepared to skip a few car payments. The haves and the have-nots become “people who go to Springsteen concerts” and “people who watch Springsteen concerts on YouTube.” And the divide between supporters will continue to grow, as some fans will accept that the unparalleled E Street Band live experience is no longer meant for them, while others will continue to act under the delusion that an artist living on his sprawling Colts Neck horse farm somehow remains a populist rocker with their interests at heart — truly his most brilliant disguise.

Bobby Olivier may be reached at bolivier@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @BobbyOlivier and Facebook.

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Bobby Olivier was always contrary towards Bruce.  He started with a small paper and then went to the Bergen Record.  He's been critical of his music since he became a music critic.

That being said there is quite a bit of truth in what he wrote.

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Oats

@Phisherman posted:

I didn't find any. It sounded like ignorant drivel like the rest of Twitter and BTX the last cpl days. Oh wait, he did mention Bruce is turning 73. That was true.

Olivier, Bob Lefetz and Variety wrote some good stuff. But then everyone in the world is an idiot except you. Man, you are intolerable. You were right about opening sale day being idiot's day. The worst tickets are available then no matter how early you get in. Re Olivier, the writer does not write the headline, the article is softer than that. But Olivier is the newer generation after the old Star Ledger writers who loved Bruce, he's more into newer artists.

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Ok, guys this thread was supposed to be for letters to Bruce only. There are plenty of other threads to argue your points just not here.  Thanks.

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Oats

I feel everyone's pain on this, but why shouldn't bruce make what he can. He is doing it through  verified fan, so fans get the tickets. The same fan would have to go pay a scalper $750 or $1500 a ticket. Now that goes directly to Bruce. I had the chance to pay $1000 for GA and I released them. It is a magical experience that I experienced a few times, definitely worth it to someone who hasn't. I was more comfortable paying $335 a ticket in the back if the floor. Even that It took me a few clicks and releases. Hopefully this hurts the secondary market.

Bruce's core fans are well into their years and can afford this and he knows it. If anyone at anytime didn't think he was selling you something this opens your eyes. What he sells is awesome, but he is still selling it.

@Eugene posted:

@Phisherman, you are not going to get in for $25.00.  The future ticket drops will probably be PLATINUM, and there aren't going to be too many empty seats. I got my tickets for Tampa from the Lightning presale courtesy of @DMR and that's the only show I'm going to.  Your savior has decided he doesn't want to see the same faces every night.

It's 2022, I have no hopes of a $25 ticket. I am well aware I will need to spend $50 to get in the door at 2 of the 3 shows I'm planning to attend.

I'm willing to go up to $100 if the seat isn't awful.

I already bought one premium seat for one show already. It cost me a lot of what I have saved over the years. But it's a damn good seat.

Eugene -- GREAT to see you here!!  I am hoping to be at Tampa but haven't found reasonable tickets yet.  I will buy you a beer(s) if I make it.

I think the Day Of Show purchases are going to be very strange for this tour -- and IMHO hard to predict what will happen.  A few things will be different for the US arena segment because all the tickets are virtual on your phone.  I think will reset many things:

[1] No more folks with the signs "I Need Tickets" on one side, and "Who Needs Tickets" on the other side scalping tickets -- unless they upscale and have people transfer their tickets on the Mobile App into their account on the Mobile App -- for them to later transfer the the scalped person.  Seems to me like too much work, complexity, and risk -- but hey you never know.  And TM could freeze transfers close to show time.

[2] Anyone who finds themselves with a last minute extra can't just print it off and stand in the parking lot to sell to another fan.  Buyers will either have to be escorted into the arena by the person with the ticket, or the ticket will have to be transferred within the App (provided that TM doesn't freeze that functionality close to the time of the show.)  The last few shows I used virtual tickets for it was not the barcode that was read but rather some bluetooth or other communication like apple pay functions so I don't think a screen grab could work -- but I don't know for sure.

[3] I am hoping that  BTX will be busy close to the shows, such that fans can transfer tickets to other fans at the best unreasonable prices possible.  I have had great success even at this early phase buying and trading with other real long time fans.  My purchases / trades have all been at the "high (but lowest) on-sale time" prices, and great transactions.  The TM transfer function has worked flawlessly so far.

As far as the scalper pool of day of show (or close to it) tickets -- the scalpers will either have to "fish or cut bait" and I expect that closer to show dates many of the $800-$5000 seats will plummet in price.  I think Phisherman has been trying to make this point in some of his posts, prices should come down closer to show dates.

Looking only at floor seating, below is the current "available map" from one of the UBS arena shows.  It shows that a good number of the seats sold (perhaps 20-30% or so without counting exactly) wound up in the hands of re-sellers -- who are either going to eat the total cost -- or lower prices to a less unreasonable $$ (likely stopping near the $400 - $475 level of the on--sale base price with TM charges.) to get rid of many of these.

UBS Floor[4] Sorry Phisherman -- although we are SPL friends -- if I didn't know you and you offered me $25 or $50 or maybe even $100 for a ticket I purchased for $200 - $400 I would wish you luck and walk on.  Even when tickets used to be $100 many times I entered the arena/stadium for Bruce -- gone to a really bad section -- and MiB'd (if that is still a term) folks up to great seats rather than taking $25 from someone.  I last did this at Dylan in Seattle -- leaving the $25 and $20 offers on the street and bringing two people down literally from the last row of the balcony to 12th row center seats.  They were very excited (after they got over the shock) and I believe it has added to my Bruce Karma in the bank although I don't have my latest statement from there.  Their expressions were worth more than $25 -- in fact priceless.

[5] I think the "at show" buying dynamics are going to be complicated: [1] Perhaps more folks will come hoping for a more reasonable entry price; [2] Perhaps few people will come because they are upset at the whole situation and/or are unwilling or unable to pay the original "on-sale" price; [3] Perhaps Phisherman is right -- and ticket holders may be so bewildered by the whole virtual ticket thing and happy to get any $$ they can on the day of the show, including $25 or $50. [4] I think we need to see what happens after the first few shows, and of course the "hot" and "cooler" markets may be completely different in how it works. [5] The tour could suck -- or it could be great -- and word of mouth may have an influence on demand too.  So I just don't think we can predict too much yet with certainty.

[6] I agree with Eugene that the last minute ticket drops are likely to be Platinum priced -- the question is just how bad will be be -- a bit more than the high original price -- or the $1500-$4000 flavor.  On the day of the show, I gave in and got great seats for McCartney at MetLife -- it was a Platinum drop around 3 PM and I paid $325 for each ticket because I really wanted to go and I got a great seat 5 hours before the show.  In the end I was rewarded with a great show from Paul, and a bonus brief Bruce appearance.  Still not good -- but we don't yet know how bad it will be for Bruce.  TBD

[7] I disagree that Bruce (not my savior, but for me a great performer who takes his job as such very seriously, and has brought me great joy for the past 49 years) has given any thought as to whose faces he will be seeing and "who is here and who is missing".  As I pointed out in an earlier thread, since I think he does feed off the energy of the pit (and the rest of the arena) he may be in for a shock once the tour starts.  The folks in the pit on this tour and many of the good seats probably won't know the words to Thunder Road (yet alone the more obscure tracks) any better than Joe Grushecky (LoD reference to amuse myself), and Bruce will have to turn around to the rear to see us singing the correct ones if he gets lost.  He has to hope the teleprompter doesn't go out!!

I hope we can have some constructive but challenging dialogue here at SPL.  And I also hope that we all can use BTX, this SPL board, and the other resources at hand to help each other out.  But of course, I also know that "hope is not a strategy"

Ed

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Eddie

You are bringing up a lot of things that are only happening in your imagination. Tickets are sold day of the show on site with paperless ticketing all the time. (I saw 2 Phish shows in October. $20 one night free the other. Both E-Tickets I found on site) We don't need to guess how it will work. I don't know about buyer/sellers. I would never buy from one in the first place. I want to beat them to a fans extra ticket. So if the pros don't come out, GREAT! Less people to compete with. Still gonna be a thousand extras at every show.

I don't need your ticket, you can eat it or give it away or sell it for more. That's fine. I'll see you inside.  You don't need to apologize. When I said I will pay $50 I never meant to you.  I meant to the person who has my ticket. If your ticket is for someone spending more or sitting in a nose bleed, that's great. I don't see how it's relevant to what I will pay. I will pay $50 ($100 for prime seat or GA).

I'm willing to bet with maybe the exception of Hollywood (is there a pit there??) The Pit will be filed every night with fans who know the words to Thunder Road but not ThunderCrack just like every show before.

@Eugene posted:

@Hey_Eddie-IF I had bought an expensive seat(s), I certainly would have sprung for the ticket insurance to hedge my bets if I wasn't able to sell the tickets for profit. Call it the cost of doing business.

Can you add insurance or must you buy it upon purchase? I'm starting to really stress out about being stuck in Las Vegas with a cancelled flight the day of the show and I'm stuck with a pricey ticket.

@Phisherman posted:

Maybe stop worrying about seeing what happens when shows go on-sale. That is the worst day to buy tickets. It was before dynamic pricing and it still is.

When 100,000 people all try to buy the 1000 pit tickets at the same time nobody is going to come out happy no matter what the system. Lets talk about seeing what happens on show day. The day we actually need a ticket. The best day to buy a ticket. Can't we wait and see what happens then? Why is everyone so mad they can't lock up their tickets 7 months in advance? On the hardest day to get a ticket? Nobody needs a ticket today NOBODY.

There is some truth and non-truth in this statement.

Buying the ticket on initial Sales-date gives some piece of mind, since you really know you're going to the concert. Waiting till concert day will give you months of uncertainty if you are going to the show or not. If you really want to go, it's good to have the tickets in your pocket. On concert day most likely no Front of Stage tickets will be available, so if there are still tickets you need to sit somewhere (maybe crappy seats). That is the reason for pre-sale. It works like that always. You pay for the fact you know for sure you are going and got the place/seat you want.

You are absolutely right where it comes to the fact that it is the buyers' choice to overpay, pay an amount that they actually cannot afford. I sure do not overpay, that's my choice, so I do skip (for now) any of the US concerts and stick with the Euro shows ;-).

So I would not say NOBODY needs a ticket 7 months ahead. I do, because I do not want to be in that uncertainty if I can tickets at a later date. I know you can, but most likely not the ones I really want.


I'll be GROWIN' UP just FOR YOU Boss!       ~       Brucebase Wiki


 

@Ponyboy posted:

There is some truth and non-truth in this statement.

Buying the ticket on initial Sales-date gives some piece of mind, since you really know you're going to the concert. Waiting till concert day will give you months of uncertainty if you are going to the show or not. If you really want to go, it's good to have the tickets in your pocket. On concert day most likely no Front of Stage tickets will be available, so if there are still tickets you need to sit somewhere (maybe crappy seats). That is the reason for pre-sale. It works like that always. You pay for the fact you know for sure you are going and got the place/seat you want.



I never buy first day, almost always buy on show day and I usually sit very well. NEVER REAR STAGE. Seldom do I sit bad and if I do it's dirt cheap.

I have an advanced ticket for one show now but I am 100% certain (barring health or flight issues) I am going to 3.

Your uncertainty comes from within. I am 100% certain (barring non ticket related obstructions like health or flight) that I am going to the 2 shows I have no tickets for and I will fly there empty handed with 100% certainty I will get in. (I base this on a 100% success rate over a couple thousand concerts). (Yes, even Madison Square Garden though I would not try there this year).

If you want a PRIME seat, take it when you see it for whatever it costs if that's what you want. I did it for Portland. Couldn't walk away from the seat it was too good. But, if you want a prime seat you don't really have an argument about prices. There are only so many and everyone wants them.

As far as the reason for pre-sale being that there are only crappy seats on show day? You have it very much backwards. Pre-Sale is the day they sell all the worst seats in the house. Show day is when they release the best. (Well the very best are never offered to the public at all except via resale). The Killers were in town this weekend. On show day they dropped close to half the seats in the 2 best sections in the arena HUNDREDS OF PRIME SEATS never made available before.  When you buy on pre sale or on sale day you buy nothing but piece of mind (unless you get lotto lucky with a great seat, there are a few gems to keep appearances). Piece of mind you really didn't need. But if it makes you feel better, that's worth whatever you can afford to pay for it.

Presale for me is about the risk not to get tickets for the shows I want to attend. It's my choice. Not gonna pay overpriced tickets, that's for sure. I only have PIT-tickets for Euro shows, except for Dublin (here they do not have PIT tickets). I am happy, but it sucks I will not (ever) see him in the US due to current prices (not only tickets, I do know there are cheaper tickets available)

I do understand you POV as I also always say there is NO sold-out show, but kinda depends on the distance to travel to take the Leap Of Faith, so I buy my tickets in advance preferably.

All in all I get a bit extremely tired, maybe even sick, about the discussion regarding prices for the upcoming tour. You do not have to convince me, I make a choice, and it's mine, and mine alone. I am happy for you that you have the "proven" confidence to get the missing tickets in time on the concert date.


I'll be GROWIN' UP just FOR YOU Boss!       ~       Brucebase Wiki


 

Several thoughts:

I don't think you can add ticket insurance later -- but a call to TM to confirm might be in order if you have concerns.  They might be happy to have more $$ :-).

There is truth that many of the best seats are released on show day, sometimes within hours of the show or even at the arena box office.  Often Oats and I would be standing / sitting in different seats than we intended to due to show day upgrades.  Not sure how it will work this time, and if TM will offer drops but only for a very high premium price.  TBD I think, but I hope it is still possible (although not a strategy).

I have never sold seats for profit.  So far I haven't had to pay a very expensive price for the 2023 tour, only the relatively expensive "base price plus TM charges."

I have seen many shows from behind the stage, as far behind as 2nd row from the top at MSG for the last of the 2000 stand.  An interesting perspective, usually good sound, and a close up view of the rear facing video screens.  I still remember the OMG thrill when the opening notes of Lost In The Flood started back on July 1, 2000 -- and then the show closing Blood Brothers.  While I wouldn't want to sit behind for every show -- I think it is not a bad place to be.

Eugene -- Yup -- I am old and still use 20th century approaches.  I find if you can find the magic way to get to a person -- that sometimes what is impossible at the website of with an AI bot -- can be achieved with a real person -- if it is the right person.  But perhaps TM has gotten rid of the last real person you can connect to!

Dear Bruce

I have tried to buy 2 face value tickets for one of the UK shows this year. The only ones available seem to be on resale sites. I doubt if we will be going now as they are so expensive.

It'd be be good if you could halve the ticket prices. But that'll never happen. Am resigned to not being able to go now.

Yours sincerely

Antony Forst

I feel everyone's pain on this, but why shouldn't bruce make what he can. He is doing it through  verified fan, so fans get the tickets. The same fan would have to go pay a scalper $750 or $1500 a ticket. Now that goes directly to Bruce. I had the chance to pay $1000 for GA and I released them. It is a magical experience that I experienced a few times, definitely worth it to someone who hasn't. I was more comfortable paying $335 a ticket in the back if the floor. Even that It took me a few clicks and releases. Hopefully this hurts the secondary market.

Bruce's core fans are well into their years and can afford this and he knows it. If anyone at anytime didn't think he was selling you something this opens your eyes. What he sells is awesome, but he is still selling it.

So... using that reasoning.  Bruce should be able to stop a concert, scream at a fan in front of 22,000 other fans , yelling to Shut The Fuck Up!  Then attempt to have said fan thrown out.  In other words it's Bruce's bat and ball so he gets to set the rules.

I hope you see the correlation here.

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The SPL Rocks!

Prego che tu stia danzando con San Pietro alle porte perlacee del cielo





Pulled up to my house today
Came and took my little girl away!
Giants Stadium 8/28/03



Oats

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