Does anyone else feel a bit let down about these Archive Releases?

Do they fix the out of tune guitar during Who'll Stop the Rain on 8-20-81, or just let that go?  

Re: making your point, Oats.  I'm not.  You're missing my point, and trying to use it for your own.  I respectfully disagree with you.   I would MUCH rather have a pristine 12-15-78, a show that is as much a part of my life than any recording (studio or live), than take a chance on missing out on that because they choose to release another show from that week (12-16, 12-20 etc...).  I would be shocked if they released 12-15 after releasing the 16th or 20th.  We'll get one from that week.  I vote for 12-15.  Re-mixed.  Mastered at Gateway.   Sad Eyes in all its glory.  

I mean, just what makes you think it's so easy?

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We're going to get all of the great bootlegs, that's a given.  What I need and want is some others mixed in with them.

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Oats

Julius posted:

Do they fix the out of tune guitar during Who'll Stop the Rain on 8-20-81, or just let that go?  

 

I hope not.  To me, the charm of these vintage shows is their imperfections.  It's why I still listen to my boots more than official releases.  And why I haven't listened to Live 75/85 in about 30 years.

I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

 

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

  

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Julius posted:

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

  

I agree.  They've done a good job with this. 

Imagine 20 years ago being told "We are going to get official live show releases, many of them classic vintage performances, every 30 days. " 

That said, I think they are overdue for something pre-1975.

 

Bobby_G posted:
Julius posted:

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

  

I agree.  They've done a good job with this. 

Imagine 20 years ago being told "We are going to get official live show releases, many of them classic vintage performances, every 30 days. " 

That said, I think they are overdue for something pre-1975.

 

They may not have any pre-75"

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Oats

In terms of pre-1975, what about the radio broadcasts and known soundboards?  I also have a hard time believing that Appel didn't professionally record any shows until late 1975.


 

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Bobby_G posted:
I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

 

This is truly mysterious.

As much as I agree with you, it´s beyond me that the same guy that mixed this show also mixed New Years Eve ´80. The former sounds great, the latter is a trainwreck beyond belief.

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DennisC posted:
Bobby_G posted:
I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

 

This is truly mysterious.

As much as I agree with you, it´s beyond me that the same guy that mixed this show also mixed New Years Eve ´80. The former sounds great, the latter is a trainwreck beyond belief.

I thought I read that Jimmy Iovine recorded the 1975 Tower Show for a possible live album in '76.  That may have something to do with the high quality of the source recording.  NYE 1980 was, I believe, just a soundboard recording.  When it came time to mixing, I would guess that the Tower source recording was way better than the Nassau source recording.  

Max's snare sounds like a crisp gunshot on the Tower recording.  It sounds like a wet fart on the Nassau recording.

According to Brucebase for Nassau : "The recording was mixed from the multitrack reels in March 2015 at Thrill Hill by Toby Scott, assisted by Rob Lebret and mastered by Adam Ayan at Gateway Mastering." Also, "Sandy" was on Live 1975-85 and "Merry Christmas Baby" was released as a b side and on A Very Special Christmas.  Those versions sound better than the archive release. I wish they'd admit they blew it and let Jon Altschiller remix this and give us all the new version. Considering what I spent for the Great Dane In the Midnight Hour bootleg and Nassau Night, I'd even be willing to pay for a new improved version.


 

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In my opinion the archive releases are fantastic! My favourite is the final show at Madison Square Garden 2000. But there are so many others I really enjoy listening to. We are so blessed! Many thanks to Bruce and his management for all these great shows an the almost perfect sound quality! Show selection is a matter of taste and mix as well. I think Jon Altschiller does a brilliant job!

My only complaints are:

Agora 1978: I like the mix, but it‘s not a clean transfer. Sound errors or digital noise all over. Therefore I still listen to the „Summertime Bruce“ bootleg instead. A re-release would be nice!

Nassau 1980: I don‘t know what went wrong, but the mix isn‘t good. There was a bootleg some years ago (Uber series?) with part of the show mixed from a sound engineer trainee back in the eighties. Great mix (however there is some disturbing background noise).  It proves that this show could sound much better. Until we get a re-release with a better mix, I prefer to listen to the „Nassau Night“ bootleg to enjoy the whole show.

Keep these shows coming. Every first friday is like christmas!!!

Bobby_G posted:

I was wrong.  Nassau was recorded by the Record Plant remote truck, not via soundboard.  Therefore, it should sound a hell of a lot better.  I guess it was just a crappy mix.  

Remote truck was parked outside the venue. Maybe that's why it didn't sound too good.

Now, where's my coat...

zeke posted:
Bobby_G posted:

I was wrong.  Nassau was recorded by the Record Plant remote truck, not via soundboard.  Therefore, it should sound a hell of a lot better.  I guess it was just a crappy mix.  

Remote truck was parked outside the venue. Maybe that's why it didn't sound too good.

Now, where's my coat...

Judging from the quality of the recording, I think the guys in the Record Plant truck might have started celebrating New Years Eve too early..

As mentioned in my earlier post, the official "Sandy" and "Merry Christmas Baby" are from  12/31 and both sound just fine. To my ears, it's the mix that's bad on the archive version, not the quality of the original recording .


 

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Something is bizarre about the whole Nassau official releases.  The Live 75-85 versions are spectacular.  Then we get Held Up Without A Gun on Essential, which, I'm certain, was lifted right from the Nassau Night bootleg.  I'm certain that they released a bootleg.   Why didn't Clearmountain handle that song?  I guess it was cheaper to download Nassau from Jungleland and release Held Up for the 7 of us who don't know what Jungleland is.  Then we get the nugs show, which we all assumed would be something akin to 75-85...hopefully...and it's not even close.   They should admit their error - and just let J.A. fix it and re-release it - let us all download it again.   It's just a travesty that such a classic show remains less than stellar.  Much less.  Especially after listening to Rendezvous, Sandy etc...from 75-85.  

I, for one, love the piano at Nassau.  It gives the show a flavor.

 

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