Does anyone else feel a bit let down about these Archive Releases?

I bet 7-3-88 sells twice as much as the Meadowlands BITUSA show they released, which was a surprise.  I bet it sells more than Albany or Rochester too.  

Ditto. Yes Oats can't agree more. Think many of us are feeling this way. 

It almost appears lazy to me.

Julius posted:

I bet 7-3-88 sells twice as much as the Meadowlands BITUSA show they released, which was a surprise.  I bet it sells more than Albany or Rochester too.  

Oh I don't doubt it .  And my complaint isn't on the business side of it but that being said, I think it may be surprising if they put forth a show that was never bootlegged or had a piss poor bootleg tape and it really was a wonderful show.  I think it would sell pretty well especially after all the papers and internet rags started touting it.

Disagree big time.

Love these upgrades.

And make no mistakes, these later installments are _huge_ upgrades! Keep ’em coming!!

Dear god - how ungrateful and spoiled you’ve all become. Look if you don’t like this one, there’ll be another one along in a matter of days! 

Do you really expect every release to be some unknown, obscure show that would only appeal to a small minority? They’re running a business here as well! Why wouldn’t they focus on shows that are deemed to be ‘significant’ such as this one, Christic, reunion finale etc? 

Stop whining, and either appreciate the huge move forward these releases represent compared to the Springsteen sanctioned releases of ten years ago, or go back to your CD-R trading and torrents!

cephaser posted:

Dear god - how ungrateful and spoiled you’ve all become. Look if you don’t like this one, there’ll be another one along in a matter of days! 

Do you really expect every release to be some unknown, obscure show that would only appeal to a small minority? They’re running a business here as well! Why wouldn’t they focus on shows that are deemed to be ‘significant’ such as this one, Christic, reunion finale etc? 

Stop whining, and either appreciate the huge move forward these releases represent compared to the Springsteen sanctioned releases of ten years ago, or go back to your CD-R trading and torrents!

It's lazy plain and simple, easy pickins 

The ’77 shows were lazy and simple? The Belfast ’96 show? The july 1st 2000 show most of us have craved for to be released in it’s entirety ever since? Mixing the complete 3/7/88 show and not just the radio part? Ok then. The Agora ’78 show was lazy and simple, I can give you that one.

We can see that the target of this downloads is attack the bootleg industry, more than make happy the fans:

Agora 78 (one of the most famous bootleg'78)

Philly 75 (we had a fantastic soundboard of part of this show)

Meadowlands 5 August 84 (we had a soundboard of part of this show)

D&D tour (the best audience boot that we had)

LA 90 (we had a fantastic soundboard bootleg)

San Louis 2008 (one of the best audience boot we had)

LA 88 (one of the best audience video we had of this tour)

.....and now Stockholm 88......the only radio boot we had of this tour...

You can be sure the following will be Passaic 78, or Winterland 78....and not others....

Is really a pity they don't give us a really obscure and fantastic shows of this eras...

But always is great to hear a perfect Bruce shows....;-)

In general boys. Ofcourse there are exceptions (thanks Dennis). Although, we did already have a lot of the 2000 show in great quality already, and 88...so yes, a little lazy. 

I buy whatever they release, and I have been happy with all of them.  But it would be nice if they release some that we dont have in great sound already. And yes Dennis there are some. 

resident posted:

I buy whatever they release, and I have been happy with all of them.  But it would be nice if they release some that we dont have in great sound already. And yes Dennis there are some. 

Yes, it would be nice indeed

Except they have released several we didn't already have in good sound: two '77s, a 1984 and a 1988. And I distinctly remember people (perhaps not on this board) complaining that they were "standard" shows and why couldn't they have released, say, Mountain View 1988, which was an extraordinary show? Same went with the DVD of the Houston Darkness show: how on earth could they pick that over Passaic? Have they no basic morality?!

(It's been interesting to watch as the unhappiness over such a "standard" show as Houston '78 has seemed to turn over the years to an admission that even a standard show from that tour was pretty extraordinary and that just maybe there was something pretty cool about having a show we didn't all know by heart already.) 

I don't think they're going to be able to make everyone happy. (Well, apparently, except for me and a handful of other.) Release rarities and people are unhappy that their all-time faves ("where's Winterland?! Why no Bottom Line yet?! ROXY!!!") are getting bypassed. Release upgrades of well-known shows—even with the number of tracks more than doubled, which is the thing that's really blowing my mind—and people are upset 'cuz they've already had 'em for years. 

Given that there's no winning, I think they're doing a great job. Now I'm off to cuddle my stellar quality Christic and New Year '75 boots while listening again to "Downbound Train" 1988. 

(Having said all that, I too would love some more little or even unknown shows, like a huge NY/NJ/LA stand from some tour, as well as, yes, the Bottom Line [which they apparently don't have] or either Roxy.) 

cephaser posted:

Dear god - how ungrateful and spoiled you’ve all become. Look if you don’t like this one, there’ll be another one along in a matter of days! 

Do you really expect every release to be some unknown, obscure show that would only appeal to a small minority? They’re running a business here as well! Why wouldn’t they focus on shows that are deemed to be ‘significant’ such as this one, Christic, reunion finale etc? 

Stop whining, and either appreciate the huge move forward these releases represent compared to the Springsteen sanctioned releases of ten years ago, or go back to your CD-R trading and torrents!

 

 

Not ungrateful or spoiled and certainly not whining.  I'm expressing how I feel.  I appreciate and have every last one of these releases.  I certainly do not want them to stop.  I probably listen to them more than you. You're missing my point or didn't read my entire post.  I would like to see them mix it up more and throw in some that are not famous bootlegs just like they did with the 77 Berger tapes.

Did those releases only appeal to a small minority.  I don't think so.  They got just as much publicity maybe even more due to their rarity.  And I certainly didn't hear that sales were down.  The Berger tapes were used because they were almost literally dumped in their lap and JL Inc didn't have to go into the vault and find them.

They obviously have the ear of someone knowledgeable and trusted who's giving them advice on the best and most famous bootlegs in circulation.  I hope he or she reads this and says maybe Oats has a point.  Maybe we should assign one of those sound guys to go listen to a few different shows each week and see if we have any nuggets.  We can throw one in every so often on a regular or semi regular basis. 

Hell, I'd do it!   I'm available.  I would listen to every single tape in the vault and rate them.  Plus I come cheap.

"I want and would prefer to add some great sounding shows to my collection that I don't have. I don't want to add another brick onto my foundation of great Springsteen shows even if it a solid gold brick. "

It depends on how one sees the purpose of the Archive series. To me, it is not to add another notch on completest collectors guns. The purpose is to finally get out to the rest of the world the best performances by the best live band in history. It’s about establishing the historic legacy of Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band. So I was disappointed in the Meadowlands 1984 release and LA 1988, both of which I believe are mediocre performances. I don’t give a damn if I already have a bootleg of a particular show. I want the best recordings of the best shows. So for future releases, I want Winterland, Roxy, and Passaic 1978, Vietnam Vets 1980, the last night at the Meadowlands 1984, etc. And I sure hope the soundman’s tapes include Saginaw 1978 and we get that as a future release.

We are to blame.  We've talked about these great shows for ages, and this is the result.  I wish they had waited a bit on Agora and Nassau, so we'd have brilliant sound on them too.  But think about what Winterland will sound like when they finally get around to releasing that...since we've been talking about that for...ever.

But in case we haven't enough...

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

That should do it.   (I'll take it any day over an obscure '78 show).  It's the show I grew up on.  It's the show I have memorized.  I know every note of ever guitar solo.  I know every mutter, sigh, grunt and whisper.   Not even 12/16 will do.  12/15/78.   Re-mixed by that J.A. dude...and sent to Gateway.

Julius posted:

We are to blame.  We've talked about these great shows for ages, and this is the result.  I wish they had waited a bit on Agora and Nassau, so we'd have brilliant sound on them too.  But think about what Winterland will sound like when they finally get around to releasing that...since we've been talking about that for...ever.

 

But in case we haven't enough...

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

12/15/78

 

 

That should do it.   (I'll take it any day over an obscure '78 show).  It's the show I grew up on.  It's the show I have memorized.  I know every note of ever guitar solo.  I know every mutter, sigh, grunt and whisper.   Not even 12/16 will do.  12/15/78.   Re-mixed by that J.A. dude...and sent to Gateway.

 

I'll take that too and all the other great shows.  I'm not complaining about these releases.  I should not have put these sentences into my post although I mean them:

"I want and would prefer to add some great sounding shows to my collection that I don't have. I don't want to add another brick onto my foundation of great Springsteen shows even if it a solid gold brick. "

I'd like to see some unknown or lesser known or even poor sounding boots released with great sound and dynamics.  I don't want all the releases like that but every 4th or 5th would be ffff.....iiiinn GREAT!

Plus it would pretty much cover all the bases  and keep all of us happy while he's on Broadway for the next few years. 

Just reread it and nothing wrong with your original post Oats. 

Oats posted:

I'd like to see some unknown or lesser known or even poor sounding boots released with great sound and dynamics.  I don't want all the releases like that but every 4th or 5th would be ffff.....iiiinn GREAT! 

What does this actually mean though? You want an obscure show even if it sounds shit, just to add variety to your collection? A poor sounding boot is poor sounding because it's a boot, yes? If the vault has a soundboard (or whatever) then it's not a boot. Just want to understand the argument. 

That chick LB is right, the main purpose of the Vault/Archive series is to take the greatest moments in Springsteen concert history, and preserve them for posterity. Sure a lot of these are already available, but only to people who are prepared to invest some serious time and effort researching and downloading. How many people actually have the savvy (or the willpower) to track them down on Jungleland or alt.newspaper.bin, or wherever? 

We would probably all agree that, if we were in charge, we'd give the JEMS team a couple of years in the vault and tell them to go nuts. In the absence of that happening, I'm perfectly happy for someone else to curate my experience of Springsteen's greatest live moments. That's basically what JEMS and the rest of you old timers have done over the past few years anyway! 

PS: 15-12-1978 please. 

What makes a show legendary?   Is Winterland a legendary show because of some sort of magic happening that night or was it legendary because it was broadcast on the radio? 

DenverBrian posted:

What makes a show legendary?   Is Winterland a legendary show because of some sort of magic happening that night or was it legendary because it was broadcast on the radio? 

A good point....only the people who doesn't know well Bruce thinks the first night of Winterland is the best show ever...but if you have heard enough bootlegs you know it's not the best show ever...not the best Darkness show...and even not the best show of that week....was just the radio show of that time... 

I would love to get Seattle december 20th 1978 in soundboard quality. That show is really great. But I could think of over 100 shows I want from different tours. And I know most here can do that too. 

'That chick LB "

I think my wife of 44 years will find this hilarious while our son might wonder about his parentage.

Otherwise, your post is spot on except I think the second night at Winterland may be a better performance.

LB posted:

'That chick LB "

I think my wife of 44 years will find this hilarious while our son might wonder about his parentage.

Otherwise, your post is spot on except I think the second night at Winterland may be a better performance.

 

I think that's what rus meant.

"and not even the best show of that week..was just the radio show of that time..."

And that's a perfect example of what I mean.  Put out the 16th as an Archive release.   I have a list of hundreds of what I think are Bruce's best sounding boots.  It's compiled through the years from all the fansites and those that compiled these lists back in the day.

I'd love to see an archive every so often that's not on the list, just sayin. 

I've felt let down by a lot of what Bruce has released over the last 15 years, but not these.  For the most part, these releases have been pretty fantastic.  

What makes 12-15-78 legendary?  Well, obviously the radio broadcast.  If 12-16 were broadcasted, or 12-20, we'd all call them legendary too.  Yes, it was a great week of music.  But to say that one is better than another, or that we're not "in the know" because we'd like 12-15 released is just stupid.  We want 12-15 released because we grew up on 12-15.  It's a radio broadcast that could use a remix by J.A. that would make it perfect.  

I know the ins and outs of 12-15 better than some of his official releases, because I've certainly listened to it more times.  As far as I am concerned, it is a live album of his, that I'm playing on a a second rate stereo.  I'd like a remix so that I can listen to in first class.  I grew up on the show (I'm 52 now, and I've had a copy of the show for well over 3 decades, as most of us have).   

Is 12-16 a better show?  Is 12-20?  I don't know.  And I don't care.  I do know that the bootlegs of those shows are far inferior to 12-15, so I could never compare them.  I've probably listened to 12-16 and 12-20 a handful a times in my lifetimes, as opposed to a lifetime of listens to 12-15. 

But what do I know.  I don't know Bruce Springsteen.  I'm going on 40 years of not knowing Bruce Springsteen.

Julius posted:

What makes 12-15-78 legendary?  Well, obviously the radio broadcast.  If 12-16 were broadcasted, or 12-20, we'd all call them legendary too.  Yes, it was a great week of music.  But to say that one is better than another, or that we're not "in the know" because we'd like 12-15 released is just stupid.  We want 12-15 released because we grew up on 12-15.  It's a radio broadcast that could use a remix by J.A. that would make it perfect.  

I know the ins and outs of 12-15 better than some of his official releases, because I've certainly listened to it more times.  As far as I am concerned, it is a live album of his, that I'm playing on a a second rate stereo.  I'd like a remix so that I can listen to in first class.  I grew up on the show (I'm 52 now, and I've had a copy of the show for well over 3 decades, as most of us have).   

Is 12-16 a better show?  Is 12-20?  I don't know.  And I don't care.  I do know that the bootlegs of those shows are far inferior to 12-15, so I could never compare them.  I've probably listened to 12-16 and 12-20 a handful a times in my lifetimes, as opposed to a lifetime of listens to 12-15. 

But what do I know.  I don't know Bruce Springsteen.  I'm going on 40 years of not knowing Bruce Springsteen.

 

You're making my point for me.  If they did release a SBD from the 16th or the 20th, you'd be able to compare them?  Maybe, just maybe,  you'd even say and I'm paraphrasing here... "Hot damn, that must been one hell of a show cuz the band was tight, Bruce was loose and it sounds fantastic" 

Bobby_G posted:

I've felt let down by a lot of what Bruce has released over the last 15 years, but not these.  For the most part, these releases have been pretty fantastic.  

They're FFFiiiinnnn GREAT.  No argument from me about quality.  I'm talkin' selection not quality.  They overcame that issue after the screwups at the start.

I just really hope we get the '81 Vets show.  I have to believe that is one that is in the pipeline.

Bobby_G posted:

I just really hope we get the '81 Vets show.  I have to believe that is one that is in the pipeline.

I hope so too.

Oats posted:

Bobby_G posted:

I just really hope we get the '81 Vets show.  I have to believe that is one that is in the pipeline.

I hope so too.

Ah, the holy grail.

Maybe they'll save the best for last.

If they have 300 shows to sell and they save 'Vets' for last, I may not make it.  And I wouldn't be in a good mood if JL made me wait that long. I'd be forced to give him a piece of my mind.  

I think the last few releases indicate they want to get out the classic shows and toss in a surprise every so often. My guess for the next 4 shows (in no particular order) is a Rising show, Darkness show, 1976 soundboard from the soundman’s stash, and Vietnam Vets. The Vietnam Vets show is on virtually every top 5 of all time list.

If they have the Vets show in release-ish quality I have no doubt whatsoever we will see it down the line.

The best thing about the ´77 shows is that they won´t hold back if they even have just a mono soundboard of a show they want to get out there. And we know for a fact that at least a portion of the Vets show indeed exist as a stereo soundboard. That is very promising.

And those LA shows are all amazing. The last one from august 28th is at least as good as the 20th

Who thinks Vets show is the best Bruce show ever...doesn't know Bruce well......;-)

resident posted:

And those LA shows are all amazing. The last one from august 28th is at least as good as the 20th

You could make a strong argument that it was the best stand they ever did

Bobby_G posted:

resident posted:

And those LA shows are all amazing. The last one from august 28th is at least as good as the 20th

You could make a strong argument that it was the best stand they ever did

I imagine, you'd get quite a good one too. 

I thought almost every show in LA was professionally recorded. By the way, I remembered that on the second night at Winterland, Bruce forgets the lyrics to "Racing the Street" so that entire show is probably not going to be released.  If we ever get Winterland it will be 12/15.

Do they fix the out of tune guitar during Who'll Stop the Rain on 8-20-81, or just let that go?  

Re: making your point, Oats.  I'm not.  You're missing my point, and trying to use it for your own.  I respectfully disagree with you.   I would MUCH rather have a pristine 12-15-78, a show that is as much a part of my life than any recording (studio or live), than take a chance on missing out on that because they choose to release another show from that week (12-16, 12-20 etc...).  I would be shocked if they released 12-15 after releasing the 16th or 20th.  We'll get one from that week.  I vote for 12-15.  Re-mixed.  Mastered at Gateway.   Sad Eyes in all its glory.  

I mean, just what makes you think it's so easy?

We're going to get all of the great bootlegs, that's a given.  What I need and want is some others mixed in with them.

Julius posted:

Do they fix the out of tune guitar during Who'll Stop the Rain on 8-20-81, or just let that go?  

 

I hope not.  To me, the charm of these vintage shows is their imperfections.  It's why I still listen to my boots more than official releases.  And why I haven't listened to Live 75/85 in about 30 years.

I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

Julius posted:

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

  

I agree.  They've done a good job with this. 

Imagine 20 years ago being told "We are going to get official live show releases, many of them classic vintage performances, every 30 days. " 

That said, I think they are overdue for something pre-1975.

Bobby_G posted:

Julius posted:

Didn't we just recently get two 1977 shows that just dropped out of sky?   We also got a Joad show that wasn't Crystal Catted to death.   We got an important finale (Buffalo).  We got a remarkable Philly '09 show that closed the Spectrum.    I think they are mixing it up just fine. 

  

I agree.  They've done a good job with this. 

Imagine 20 years ago being told "We are going to get official live show releases, many of them classic vintage performances, every 30 days. " 

That said, I think they are overdue for something pre-1975.

 

They may not have any pre-75"

In terms of pre-1975, what about the radio broadcasts and known soundboards?  I also have a hard time believing that Appel didn't professionally record any shows until late 1975.

Bobby_G posted:

I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

 

This is truly mysterious.

As much as I agree with you, it´s beyond me that the same guy that mixed this show also mixed New Years Eve ´80. The former sounds great, the latter is a trainwreck beyond belief.

DennisC posted:

Bobby_G posted:

I still maintain the 12/31/75 Tower show has been the best so far.  The mix, clarity and ambience of that recording is outstanding.

 

This is truly mysterious.

As much as I agree with you, it´s beyond me that the same guy that mixed this show also mixed New Years Eve ´80. The former sounds great, the latter is a trainwreck beyond belief.

I thought I read that Jimmy Iovine recorded the 1975 Tower Show for a possible live album in '76.  That may have something to do with the high quality of the source recording.  NYE 1980 was, I believe, just a soundboard recording.  When it came time to mixing, I would guess that the Tower source recording was way better than the Nassau source recording.  

Max's snare sounds like a crisp gunshot on the Tower recording.  It sounds like a wet fart on the Nassau recording.

Reckon they'd be able to do anything about the old west piano sound on Nassau??

According to Brucebase for Nassau : "The recording was mixed from the multitrack reels in March 2015 at Thrill Hill by Toby Scott, assisted by Rob Lebret and mastered by Adam Ayan at Gateway Mastering." Also, "Sandy" was on Live 1975-85 and "Merry Christmas Baby" was released as a b side and on A Very Special Christmas.  Those versions sound better than the archive release. I wish they'd admit they blew it and let Jon Altschiller remix this and give us all the new version. Considering what I spent for the Great Dane In the Midnight Hour bootleg and Nassau Night, I'd even be willing to pay for a new improved version.

In my opinion the archive releases are fantastic! My favourite is the final show at Madison Square Garden 2000. But there are so many others I really enjoy listening to. We are so blessed! Many thanks to Bruce and his management for all these great shows an the almost perfect sound quality! Show selection is a matter of taste and mix as well. I think Jon Altschiller does a brilliant job!

My only complaints are:

Agora 1978: I like the mix, but it‘s not a clean transfer. Sound errors or digital noise all over. Therefore I still listen to the „Summertime Bruce“ bootleg instead. A re-release would be nice!

Nassau 1980: I don‘t know what went wrong, but the mix isn‘t good. There was a bootleg some years ago (Uber series?) with part of the show mixed from a sound engineer trainee back in the eighties. Great mix (however there is some disturbing background noise).  It proves that this show could sound much better. Until we get a re-release with a better mix, I prefer to listen to the „Nassau Night“ bootleg to enjoy the whole show.

Keep these shows coming. Every first friday is like christmas!!!

I was wrong.  Nassau was recorded by the Record Plant remote truck, not via soundboard.  Therefore, it should sound a hell of a lot better.  I guess it was just a crappy mix.  

Bobby_G posted:

I was wrong.  Nassau was recorded by the Record Plant remote truck, not via soundboard.  Therefore, it should sound a hell of a lot better.  I guess it was just a crappy mix.  

Remote truck was parked outside the venue. Maybe that's why it didn't sound too good.

Now, where's my coat...

zeke posted:

Bobby_G posted:

I was wrong.  Nassau was recorded by the Record Plant remote truck, not via soundboard.  Therefore, it should sound a hell of a lot better.  I guess it was just a crappy mix.  

Remote truck was parked outside the venue. Maybe that's why it didn't sound too good.

Now, where's my coat...

Judging from the quality of the recording, I think the guys in the Record Plant truck might have started celebrating New Years Eve too early..

The most curious of this new year'eve show is that the previous nights 28 and 29 the sound of the oficial tracks we have is fantastic....

As mentioned in my earlier post, the official "Sandy" and "Merry Christmas Baby" are from  12/31 and both sound just fine. To my ears, it's the mix that's bad on the archive version, not the quality of the original recording .

Something is bizarre about the whole Nassau official releases.  The Live 75-85 versions are spectacular.  Then we get Held Up Without A Gun on Essential, which, I'm certain, was lifted right from the Nassau Night bootleg.  I'm certain that they released a bootleg.   Why didn't Clearmountain handle that song?  I guess it was cheaper to download Nassau from Jungleland and release Held Up for the 7 of us who don't know what Jungleland is.  Then we get the nugs show, which we all assumed would be something akin to 75-85...hopefully...and it's not even close.   They should admit their error - and just let J.A. fix it and re-release it - let us all download it again.   It's just a travesty that such a classic show remains less than stellar.  Much less.  Especially after listening to Rendezvous, Sandy etc...from 75-85.  

I, for one, love the piano at Nassau.  It gives the show a flavor.

Julius posted:

 

I, for one, love the piano at Nassau.  It gives the show a flavor.

 

Totally agree.  Highway 61 Revisited had a similarly out of tune piano.  Imperfections can yield great things. 

I hope w eget something good for xmas, hope but do not expect.

Kind of hoping for a Thanksgiving surprise.

high hopes for tomorrows release

Apr 30, 2006
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, New Orleans, LA

Disappointing choice, only 17 songs.

Ugh, at least it was from a tour that wasn't already represented.  It's just too bad it was that tour.

no represented - what about live in dublin

Rick56 posted:

I hope w eget something good for xmas, hope but do not expect.

so i wasa right

Yes Oats.  Completely underwhelmed. 

Julius posted:

Yes Oats.  Completely underwhelmed. 

I thoroughly enjoyed myself at the four or five live shows I attended on this tour.  That being said I just can't listen to this for very long, just not my cup of tea.  I got through three songs before I put on a compilation of Flynn's from the Rising Tour. 

explode posted:

Apr 30, 2006
New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Festival, New Orleans, LA

Yawn 😵

I like about 3 or 4 songs from the whole project.  Some of it is just...yeah, better just to say it's not my cup.  I understand the significance of this show.  It's the only show I haven't downloaded from the archive series.  I just can't see pulling the trigger on this.  

People want early stuff???  Then let's have a few of the Steel Mill soundboards that circulate cleaned up and released.  Bruce may even have some more stashed away....  Keep me happy at least!

something from bruce before christmas?

yes no yes no yes no

nope I seriously doubt

Rick56 posted:

something from bruce before christmas?

yes no yes no yes no

 

nope I seriously doubt

Maybe...