The PS doesn't include the intro to Rosalita, which is a travesty.

I would not consider that one a Top 5 show for the River tour as I prefer the 1980's setlists, but definitely a "must have", if we expand the list to 10 per tour, and it would certainly make the Top 100. This show is a good example for the need to track down the best version of each show once the list is complete. Most of Ev2s releases are definitely an upgrade; for some shows, however, I think the original source or an alternative version is better than Ev2's, don't know about this one, though

I agree with you on the EV2 part.

But 10 shows for each tour? Start with 5 and if needed we could ad as much as needed.

Agree generally. I was only referring to a post from TD that for some tours a Top 5 may not be enough to include all "must-haves" and the River tour may be one of them. I certainly do not need more than 5 from HT/LT, TOL, GOTJ or the Seeger sessions...(no, not saying that these tours were equally bad, just examples)

And personaly I think the River shows arent that different when you look at the setlists.

I don't see how that argument would suit the Darkness tour any differently?

But let's not make this another Darkness vs. River-tour argument. Let's just agree that there's certainly a big difference from a fall 1980-show to a summer 1981-show.

My picks for the River-tour:

1980/11/05 Tempe
1980/12/29 Nassau
1980/12/31 Nassau
1981/05/08 Stockholm
1981/08/20 LA

If we're going to create a list of 100, surely both Darkness and River Tours should have at least 7 shows each.

So true.



You are right again Sir.

But that Tempe show. I havent listened to it in a long time but I remember that it isnt that great. Or perhaps you got another (better) version?

Regarding placing a hard limit on either the total number of recordings or the number of recordings per tour, my thought is that if you need more for a tour, such as 78 or 80-81, but less for something like VFC or Amnesty, that's how it should be. There are certainly more than 5 shows that would be considered "essential" from the Darkness tour, but 5 would easily be overkill for the other two I mentioned.

I'd put that in Eugene's Essentials category because of the whole final Rising show/Dylan/concert length duration rather than being one of the defitive boots from the Tour. Night #2 is a vastly better show, IMO.

Of course, then there's the issue of a "special" show vs a show that is a good representation of that tour. The main example I'm thinking of is the 92-93 tour. On one hand, the 6/24/93 show was incredibly special with the near-ESB reunion, the horns, and Southside. On the other hand, it wasn't very typical of a show from that tour. Looking back, I'd prefer the Tacoma 92 show over this one or even the 8/7/92 show (New Jersey Friday Night), as it featured a lot of the material from the '92 albums.

Regarding placing a hard limit on either the total number of recordings or the number of recordings per tour, my thought is that if you need more for a tour, such as 78 or 80-81, but less for something like VFC or Amnesty, that's how it should be. There are certainly more than 5 shows that would be considered "essential" from the Darkness tour, but 5 would easily be overkill for the other two I mentioned.

And, certainly, just like I did a few years ago, once you have the essential shows/recordings, you can easily come up with a list of "Other Recommended" shows.

Of course, keep in mind that there will not be a single list that everyone is going to agree upon.

Flynn

If we're going to create a list of 100, surely both Darkness and River Tours should have at least 7 shows each.