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#313486 - 6 Oct 2009 03:36 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Stolen Car
Registered: 14 Jun 2006
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Oh, just enjoy yourself and don't think so much for Chrissake. The only reason the Beatles aren't out there recreating the White Album is that two of them are no longer. He'll do three hours and you'll go home happy.
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#313495 - 6 Oct 2009 04:50 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 4226
Loc: New England
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The well has run dry? After great albums like D&D and Magic? He's not the kid he was in 1977 but he's still doing important stuff 30+ years laer. How many performers can say that?
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#313496 - 6 Oct 2009 05:02 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 1700
Loc: Birmingham, AL
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The well has run dry? After great albums like D&D and Magic? He's not the kid he was in 1977 but he's still doing important stuff 30+ years laer. How many performers can say that? I agree completely. In this decade, I would say that the only album that is subpar is Working on a Dream. Magic in particular brought back a harder rocking edge that had been missing for awhile. This tour has demonstrated the importance of playing behind a strong album that the audience supports. The E Street Band is fine, but when this tour ends, they will have played 184 shows over a 2 year period. Of course, there's been some good and bad over that run. At the culmination, we're seeing an artist who is struggling to keep it fresh. He's getting some of it right (Darkness albums, requests, rarities [especially 5th leg Magic Tour]) and missing the boat on some of it (playing more from The Rising, Tunnel, Lucky Town, and Magic). I'm still excited about my next show, and I probably always will (but I've only been to 4 E Street Band shows). And I think after a break for a couple of years, everyone will all be excited again.
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#313509 - 6 Oct 2009 07:52 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 4226
Loc: New England
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The problem with WOAD is that it's not particularly well-suited for the band. It would probably work better on a solo tour, really, but that's for another time.
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#313521 - 6 Oct 2009 09:18 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Johnny 99
Registered: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 168
Loc: NYC
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No question, he remains an outstanding entertainer.
But artistically? It's all a matter of opinion, of course. But the WOAD album/tour? Yes, I would say the well has run dry. For now, at least.. Hey you and I both know 8-10 years ago the songs on WOAD would never have seen the light of day...however being 60 now is there any time left for "Tracks II"
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#313522 - 6 Oct 2009 09:19 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Johnny 99
Registered: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 168
Loc: NYC
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The problem with WOAD is that it's not particularly well-suited for the band. It would probably work better on a solo tour, really, but that's for another time. How about a small combo tour ??
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#313523 - 6 Oct 2009 09:19 PM
Re: Dream or farce
[Re: Bobby_G]
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 1700
Loc: Birmingham, AL
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WOAD isn't well-suited for anything.
(Except maybe background music for a dentist's office) What annoys me is that of the three songs I wanted to hear live from the album, two of them haven't been played (Life Itself, What Love Can Do) and the third is a train wreck on the stage (My Lucky Day).
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#313524 - 6 Oct 2009 09:21 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 1700
Loc: Birmingham, AL
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The problem with WOAD is that it's not particularly well-suited for the band. It would probably work better on a solo tour, really, but that's for another time. How about a small combo tour ?? I really wish we had something from those 2005 tour private rehearsals with Nils, Danny, Soozie, and Steve Jordan. It would be interesting to hear how various songs were arranged with the sparse lineup.
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#313526 - 6 Oct 2009 09:23 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Johnny 99
Registered: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 168
Loc: NYC
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The E Street Band is fine, but when this tour ends, they will have played 184 shows over a 2 year period. Of course, there's been some good and bad over that run. At the culmination, we're seeing an artist who is struggling to keep it fresh. He's getting some of it right (Darkness albums, requests, rarities [especially 5th leg Magic Tour]) and missing the boat on some of it (playing more from The Rising, Tunnel, Lucky Town, and Magic).
I'm still excited about my next show, and I probably always will (but I've only been to 4 E Street Band shows). And I think after a break for a couple of years, everyone will all be excited again.
Yes..."Tunnel" has been long overlooked !
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#313532 - 6 Oct 2009 10:32 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Honey I'm...
Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 29 Aug 2006
Posts: 2172
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To me the complete album performances are silly. Alright, BUSA I cna understand with it being a huge hit and all but BTR or Darkness is interesting for the hardcore fans and people who want to look at a newspaper cliping or magazine article and say "yeah, I've seen that entire album in the top 500 albums of all times live".
Would I like to see the shows with complete albums? Sure. There are songs from all the three mentioned albums I would love to hear live. But let's be honest about it shall we? No matter how many requests he's been doing it's a WOAD tour, not a has been artist doing the jukebox act.
Or at least I would like it to be.
People have been talking about how HT and LT was crap and had no artistic integrity or how playing the SuperBowl or doing the Walmart CD was selling out. This is unfortunately a true loss of artistic integrity and a complete and utter sellout for me. He's the equivalent of a human jukebox right now. He's playin the classics, milking the cow and ringing the cash register. He even said on the Super Bowl thing "I have an expensive lifestyle, and I like to keep my record company & promoters happy" (or something to that effect.) Tickets have become almost like a commodity...Darkness tickets may get a small premium in the marketplace, BITUSA tix might get a small discount, etc. I'm looking forward to hearing Darkness Wednesday in Philly. Like many people, I'm paying $100 to specifically hear Darkness, much the same way you pay $75 for a massage, or $20 for a lap dance. In all of these cases, the customer is paying for a specific 'service', or piece of entertainment, and you pretty much know what you're going to get. I have no expectation that I'm going to hear anything new or particularly interesting at the show. For better or worse, that's where Bruce Springsteen is right now.
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#313561 - 7 Oct 2009 07:41 AM
Re: Dream or farce
[Re: Bobby_G]
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 2090
Loc: Albert Sq.
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WOAD isn't well-suited for anything.
(Except maybe background music for a dentist's office) Well said. A friend of mine claims that with WOAD Bruce tried to be a "pop artist" (Please, nobody start a discussion now of what is meant by this, you all know what I mean) and miserably failed with this job. Although I support Bruceīs attempts to try something different from Rock and Roll, some of the results are poor ... or worse. However, I also must give credit to Bruce that he seems to have realised that the ESB is nothing but a RīnīR band (the musical abilities are clearly limited for most, except maybe Nils and Roy) and he lets the band play what they can on this tour.
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#313572 - 7 Oct 2009 10:05 AM
Re: Dream or farce
[Re: Bobby_G]
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Johnny 99
Registered: 15 Jun 2006
Posts: 168
Loc: NYC
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To me the complete album performances are silly. Alright, BUSA I cna understand with it being a huge hit and all but BTR or Darkness is interesting for the hardcore fans and people who want to look at a newspaper cliping or magazine article and say "yeah, I've seen that entire album in the top 500 albums of all times live".
Would I like to see the shows with complete albums? Sure. There are songs from all the three mentioned albums I would love to hear live. But let's be honest about it shall we? No matter how many requests he's been doing it's a WOAD tour, not a has been artist doing the jukebox act.
Or at least I would like it to be.
People have been talking about how HT and LT was crap and had no artistic integrity or how playing the SuperBowl or doing the Walmart CD was selling out. This is unfortunately a true loss of artistic integrity and a complete and utter sellout for me. He's the equivalent of a human jukebox right now. He's playin the classics, milking the cow and ringing the cash register. He even said on the Super Bowl thing "I have an expensive lifestyle, and I like to keep my record company & promoters happy" (or something to that effect.) Tickets have become almost like a commodity...Darkness tickets may get a small premium in the marketplace, BITUSA tix might get a small discount, etc. I'm looking forward to hearing Darkness Wednesday in Philly. Like many people, I'm paying $100 to specifically hear Darkness, much the same way you pay $75 for a massage, or $20 for a lap dance. In all of these cases, the customer is paying for a specific 'service', or piece of entertainment, and you pretty much know what you're going to get. I have no expectation that I'm going to hear anything new or particularly interesting at the show. For better or worse, that's where Bruce Springsteen is right now. True, but would you not be better off listening at home and getting 5 lap dances ??
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#315706 - 21 Oct 2009 11:45 AM
Re: Dream or farce
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Stolen Car
Registered: 14 Jun 2006
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This thread is worth 1/40th of a lap dance.
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#322667 - 10 Dec 2009 04:41 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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One Dog Town
Registered: 4 Aug 2009
Posts: 18
Loc: switzerland
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I don't agree with the "entertainer" over "artist" comment. When you make records like D&D, Magic and The Rising, you're not dry. As a diehard Stones fan, i know what "running dry" means. Bruce is not, definitely not.
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#332766 - 20 Jun 2010 11:58 AM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 3809
Loc: Roaring Fork Valley
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Artists keep creating no matter what. Now whether it is crap or not well that is for the audience to decide.
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#332795 - 21 Jun 2010 07:32 AM
Re: Dream or farce
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One Dog Town
Registered: 28 Nov 2008
Posts: 19
Loc: The Hills
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The audience decide what to buy or listen to. A large part of the audience has crappy ears and judgement and is in no way fit to decide whether the music is crap or not. On this particular subject I agree with Joad: Bruce is still going strong with full steam ahead.
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#333320 - 1 Jul 2010 09:25 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Stolen Car
Registered: 5 May 2006
Posts: 355
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Artist = Springsteen, Dylan, Cash, etc
Entertainer = Spears, Bieber, Gaga, Katy Perry, etc.
See the difference? Hopefully...but all artists don't always put out their best. Hell, Da Vinci painted over some of his work. I'm sure Mozart through some work in the can, and there sure are some photos Ansel Adams didn't blow up to poster sized college pinups. Oh, and I think writing your own lyrics and songs help you achieve "artist" status, as Bobby G would put it. But whatever, he can go listen to his indie artists who will end up selling out, sucking or on a one hit wonder record with the New Radicals.
Then again: one man's crucifix in a glass of piss is another's Eiffel Tower.
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#333428 - 3 Jul 2010 11:22 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 3396
Loc: Nowhere
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Springsteen, Mozart, and DaVinci. which one doesn't belong?
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#333446 - 4 Jul 2010 11:27 AM
Re: Dream or farce
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Duke Street King
Registered: 6 May 2006
Posts: 736
Loc: Canada
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Davinci....the other 2 are musicians.
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#333462 - 4 Jul 2010 09:25 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Stolen Car
Registered: 5 May 2006
Posts: 355
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I'm not the one who started using the words "artist" and "entertainer". And, who knows, maybe DaVinci busted out the electric guitar every now and then!
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#333501 - 5 Jul 2010 06:33 PM
Re: Dream or farce
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Tougher Than The Rest
Registered: 4 May 2006
Posts: 3396
Loc: Nowhere
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Davinci....the other 2 are musicians. touche
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